Rio 2016 Day 16 & Closing Ceremony Review + Rio Wrap

The end is here! The final Off The Podium for the Rio Olympics will take you through all the highlights, lowlights and everything else of the final day of competition as well as the closing ceremony and looking back at all the best bits of the last 16 days and 18 episodes! Thomas Bach would be proud...

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

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BEN WATERWORTH: Good evening, afternoon, and good night from Off The Podium, an Olympics podcast as we come to you for episode 18, a day 16 closing ceremony, an entire Olympics recap we've got a little bit to cover in the episode today because this is our final episode for the Rio 2016 Olympics, at least until maybe the Paralympics, but we're not doing those. We're just doing the Olympics, and we might mention the Paralympics a couple of times in this episode. Who knows? It's exciting to be here. We've delayed it by about a day or so because we wanted to make sure that we were on top of everything and also because our schedules didn't all match until right about now. But that doesn't matter because I am Ben, and joining me on the line, direct from the Plains of Emu, where he is so excited to talk about the last day of the competition, the closing ceremony, and everything else that he's about to burst, that is Jarrod Loobeek. Jarrod, welcome back to Off The Podium.

JARROD LOOBEEK: Yeah, I'm pretty much a piñata at this moment, filled with insightful thoughts, candy, food, whatever, and just waiting to let loose on this closing ceremony.

BEN WATERWORTH: That sounds incredibly fun. That's how I like to be filled up with things and talk about the Olympics, to be honest. Moving over to Canada right now, it is time to welcome back to Off The Podium, direct from the Pan Am city of Winnipeg and the closest city to Flintlawn, 2028. It is Mr Colin Hilding. Colin, welcome back to Off The Podium.

COLIN HILDING: Thank you. I'm super pumped for Flintlawn and another 12 years. And for now, if anybody is wondering if there's any noise in the background, if it sounds like I'm falling or dying, I'm in the middle of a race walk to work. I've been hip checked by a few passerby so far, and like a good Canadian, I'm just going to take it and pretend like it didn't happen.

BEN WATERWORTH: And hopefully you won't shit yourself on the way there. Just make sure.

COLIN HILDING: Well, no promises. It is a long walk.

BEN WATERWORTH: It is a long walk, yes, indeed. But look, we've got a bit to cover. Obviously we had a final day to talk about, and we also have the closing ceremony and other things. But we'll start with the final day, because there's not a whole lot to talk about, really, on the last day of competition. Neither Canada nor Australia won anything, particularly when it came to basketball. And there wasn't a whole lot of other stuff happening, realistically. Jarrod, I don't really know if you've got much to add on the final day of competition, because, I mean, Channel 7 was too busy, as I said, predicted showing highlights from the first 15 days and not actually showing live competition from day 16.

JARROD LOOBEEK: Yeah, it was a bit bare in terms of coverage, particularly in terms of the Aussies. I mean, we had people and stuff that weren't doing well in the marathon. I don't think they even showed us once, because we knew many of the fronts didn't really matter. And then obviously the basketball was yet another disappointment, and the search for a medal in the men's basketball continues to Tokyo 2020.

BEN WATERWORTH: Another fourth place finish, no doubt. I don't know what anything happened with Canada at all on the last day. Did it, Colin? Did Canada show up to the last day? Were they too busy celebrating Rio and looking forward to Pyeongchang in 2018?

COLIN HILDING: You know, there were a couple of athletes who were in some of the events. I know we had one in the marathon, and I think we may have had one boxer left or something like that. But it was funny that during the coverage of the marathon, which they aired pretty much in its entirety, they were scheduled to have the press conference to announce the flag bearer, and they cut back to one woman who was talking, and that went on for about five minutes, and they just abruptly cut away, like, all right, we'll return here in a bit. And like 20 minutes later, I swear, they came back to Kurt Harn at the Chef de Mision for Canada, and he talked for about 10 or 15 minutes, and then they cut away again, and I guess they just kept getting impatient. Eventually, they cut back, like, and here's our flag bearer, Penny Alexiak, and she talked for maybe 30 seconds, and then that was it. So that was the extent of our coverage, is that we had split screen of the marathon and a very long-winded introduction to Penny as the flag bearer.

BEN WATERWORTH: So she literally just walked on stage and was just like, thank you, I'm honoured. And that was like it.

COLIN HILDING: It pretty much was. It's not even an exaggeration. She held the flag up for a few pictures, and then that was it.

BEN WATERWORTH: Wow, obviously getting practice as well for the opening ceremony in a few years, no doubt. I mean, we called it, didn't we? I think it was either her or Degrass, so, you know, good on her. Hannah, did you see her in the closing ceremony? We're jumping ahead a little bit to the closing ceremony, but we even, I think, got a bit of Canadian coverage. We saw her, so I don't know if you saw her.

COLIN HILDING: Yeah, we did see her, and they kept the camera on her for a few minutes. I'm kind of surprised when you look at all the flag bearers coming in at once the way they did it. I was just wondering how long she could be able to hold that thing up, because that thing looks like it weighs 100 pounds, but I don't know, she's six foot something, probably a lot stronger than I am, so I don't think I could be a flag bearer, but she did a good job.

BEN WATERWORTH: She's carrying the entire weight of Canada on her shoulders and the flag as well, because it's not like she's going to have any pressure on her moving forward now after her performance in Rio. Just tell her to not hang around with the Campbells or any Australians or anything like that, so she continues.

COLIN HILDING: Yeah, at the next meetup I have with my Olympic pals Donovan Bailey and Penny Oleksiak, I'll make sure to let her know.

BEN WATERWORTH: Please do, please do. The only results I've got here outside of the fact that none of us won medals, I mean, you mentioned the marathon. We had three Aussies. Liam Adams was 31st, Michael Shelley 47th, and Scott Westcott 81st. I want to talk about the marathon. I was fascinated by that, actually. The basketball, oh my goodness, that was just so Australian. We lose at 89 to 88 against Spain. A contentious foul call. And then we had, what, 5.4 seconds on the clock to do something, and we didn't. I'm sorry, Jarrod, but this is bound to happen. I mean, just the weight of expectations on them. Oh, they're finally going to break this drought, and finally win their first medal in men's basketball. You know, blah, blah, blah. We're so good. The USA are expecting to meet us. Blah, blah, blah. It was always going to happen that we were going to lose and lose in heartbreaking circumstances.

JARROD LOOBEEK: Oh, absolutely. I mean, the hype was so high. They talked about how it was our best team ever. Well, I mean, there goes our best ever chance to win a medal, according to the media. It felt like a carbon copy of the women's loss. It came down to those last couple of seconds, and we had possession, and somebody should have just shot the ball from anywhere, really. I don't know. You just knew that it was going to end up that way. I'm actually surprised we got that close, because in the early stages, it really looked like it was going to be a repeat of a bad game when we lost to Serbia, because we were playing so badly at the beginning.

BEN WATERWORTH: Exactly, exactly. And the only other one I've got here is cycling, the cross-country slash mountain biking, whatever it's called today. Daniel McConnell was 16th, and Scott Bowden was 36. But that's about it. And Colin, as you kind of mentioned, really not a whole lot to talk about from other Canadian results. I mean, I think you had people in the cross-country, and didn't you mention there was some bit of wrestling in the last day for Canada as well?

COLIN HILDING: I don't even remember if Canada was in it. If we were, it was just sort of glossed over. I think that the real star were the Mongolian coaches in wrestling who won the gold medal for Fat Guy Striptease of 2016 Rio.

BEN WATERWORTH: We'll get to that. Trust me, trust me. Yeah, I guess I mean the main one. There's only 12 gold in the final day, so I mean, just quickly, the last medal winner on the final day, the marathon was a big one. Eludio Chagigi of Kenya, he won it. It was so fascinating. I've never sort of really paid that much attention to the marathon, but it's an amazing thing to watch. Basketball, well, the USA won it. Of course, they did. They beat Serbia in sparring at the bronze. Boxing, there was a few left on the last day. So Uzbekistan did quite well. They got two gold in the final day. In the men's flyweight, Shakhobidin Zoriov won, and the men's light welterweight, Fazlodin Gabnazarov took the gold in that one. In the men's super heavyweight, the French took it, Tony Yokha. And in the women's middleweight, Clarissa Shields of the USA, gold there. In the mountain biking, I don't want to call it cross country, it's called mountain biking, not bloody cross country. Nino Schurter of Switzerland won it in the men's cross mountain biking, I just meant to call it cross country again. In Jarrod's favourite gymnastics, the women's rhythmic group all round, Russia took the gold there. Handball was fantastic.

COLIN HILDING: Brilliant, brilliant display by Russia, should we say.

BEN WATERWORTH: How good was it? It was so good, the way they threw those ribbons. I mean, I've never seen ribbons thrown like that since the last time I went to Spotlight. So, good job, girls. Handball, yes, the Danes, they won that one, good for them. That's Denmark for those at home. If you didn't know that, I don't know why I had to explain that. Oh, I wonder where the Danes are from. Yeah, just a bunch of dogs, great Danes. Volleyball.

COLIN HILDING: It's not Dineland?

BEN WATERWORTH: That's a new country, just got admitted to the Olympics on the final day. In volleyball, the indoor volleyball, Brazil won it, great job for them. And in the wrestling, Soslan Romanov of Russia won the men's freestyle 65 kilogram, while in the freestyle 97 kilogram, the USA Kyle Snyder won that one there. So the medal tally, Howard ended up, well, USA, they shattered in 46 gold, 37 silver, 38 bronze, USA 121 in total, nearly doubled the amount in total of Great Britain in second, who got second. Now, I believe they became the first country in the history of the Olympics to better their total medals after they hosted it. I think Australia were the first to better the gold medals one after they hosted it, but Britain apparently won more of overall medals, so good for them. Second place beat China, who had their worst result in the Olympics since Atlanta, and already they're calling for inquiries. Damn Chinese, only finishing third. Russia leaped up to fourth, and Germany finished in fifth. Australia clings on to 10th position, 8 gold, 11 silver, 10 bronze, only 29 medals. There's already calls for inquiries in Australia. It wasn't good enough. Apparently, it's a terrible effort. I still think the fact that we won 29 medals and finished in the top 10 is fairly decent. Canada finishing 20th. You just cling on to the top 20 colon. 4 gold, 3 silver, 15 bronze, 22 in total. You finish one behind New Zealand, based purely on the fact that they won 6 more silver medals than you, but you won 4 medals more in total. That's where it matters. And the host nation Brazil had their best Olympics ever. 7 gold, 6 silver, 6 bronze, 19. And they finished in 13th place. Jarrod, The Inquiry. Australia suck at the Olympics. Apparently, this is terrible. This isn't good enough. I heard the chef de Michon. I can't remember her name because we don't care about her. She basically said she wrote down on a piece of paper that we could have won 21 gold, and that we were expected to convert 75% of them. We only got 8. She said if the Olympics were held 12 months ago, we would have won 16 gold medals. I mean, 8 gold medals, I still think, is fairly decent, if you don't mind. I think it's still OK. But did we suck these Olympics, or do you think this is just what we were going to do?

JARROD LOOBEEK: I feel like this was to be expected. I think after London, it was kind of a big letdown in terms of the medals won in kind of areas that we thought we could improve. I mean, I feel like overall, am I right in saying that we won less medals in the same amount of gold, but I think less medals overall. I feel like after London, this kind of, yeah, I feel like this wasn't as big of a disappointment just because of London. I feel like expectations, at least for me personally, were kind of tempered a little bit. I think the top five finish was always going to be unrealistic, and that was a stupid target to set. I think just top ten would have been nice because we would have achieved it. Even just a simple goal of let's win more gold than we did in London, which we didn't do, but I mean that was a possibility. I think moving forward to Tokyo, it would just be about setting realistic goals, potentially just lessening the pressure on the swimmers or not putting all our eggs in that basket and maybe underestimating a little bit how many medals we're going to win in the pool because I think that's an area that everybody, we invest into so much, and then when we don't get the results there, then our targets are never going to be met. So it's about reducing expectations there and then just celebrating the surprise victories like in the Mon pentathlon. I mean overall, I think those medals are kind of, they make up any disappointment in the amount that we've won. It's winning in new areas and expanding into new areas.

BEN WATERWORTH: Exactly, the worst we've done since Barcelona in terms of total. But yeah, we won six less overall than London. But I mean, as I was saying the other day, I think we overachieved more so in the 2000s than the fact that we're underachieving now. I mean, God, I remember, as I said the other day, growing up, you go to Barcelona, seven gold, Atlanta, nine gold. That was about it. So Sydney, 16 gold, fantastic. Athens, 17 gold. Wow, like Beijing, 14. That's pretty good. But I think the fact that, yeah, we overachieved more so in the 2000s, and just now that we're underachieving, it's just about average of what we usually do. And particularly when you got countries like Great Britain just shitting money everywhere to make sure that they're all the way at the top still. And I think kind of if you go back two years, the fact that we're getting beaten quite comprehensively by England in the Commonwealth Games, I think it's quite fair to assume that we are behind them now in terms of sports like this. And we just need to grin and bear it and accept it, so yeah. But Colin, obviously Canada, we've talked a lot about this. You guys, the most successful games since Atlanta, I'm guessing it's the opposite for you guys. You guys are now calling for top five in Tokyo. I mean, the sky's the limit right now for Canada in the Summer Olympics.

COLIN HILDING: Yeah, I'm kind of hoping they don't aim for a goal like that, just because I think if these games proved one thing, it's that you under promise and over deliver, because I think the goal that they set was 19 medals. It wasn't even about golds or silvers or medal count standings. It was just, let's try to beat what we had in Beijing and in London, and they did that. The thing that really was working for Canada was that we had a lot of these young athletes that nobody had any expectations for, because they hadn't been around to compete. I mean, André de Grasse, he won three medals out of three events, and there was maybe a little bit of expectation on him just because he competed at the World Championships last year, but so many of our medallists are still in high school. So I think there will be more expectations next time. This definitely ties Atlanta for the most medals we've won in a proper Summer Olympic Games, but yeah, I don't know if we're going to be able to top this next time, match it. Canada, as usual, if they fall short of it, they'll just take it and move on, just like Evan Dunphy.

BEN WATERWORTH: Cool, all right. Yeah, just looking at your tells, so the best you've done since Atlanta in terms of total, best in terms of gold since Barcelona, when you won seven in Barcelona, but the first time you won more than three since Barcelona, so that's pretty decent. And again, as we know, you're considering the only one won in London. That's a big improvement, so good.

COLIN HILDING: Well, what's really funny is that, you know, we've talked about how what if the medal standings were based on total amount of medals won. When it comes to Winter Olympics, Canada always prides themselves, like, look, we had a top five finish based on golds. In Vancouver, especially, we set the record for most amount of golds won. So that's what Canada bases it on. For some reason in these summer ones, they decided, no, we're going to rank ourselves based on total medals won. So Canada was reporting a top ten finish, even though that wasn't really proper.

BEN WATERWORTH: Well, I think by total, yeah, that's pretty good. But I'm just, it's kind of interesting looking, I wanted to look at Brazil, because when we kept saying, oh, they're not doing too well, they're not doing too well. I mean, obviously the host nations generally get a bit of an improvement. They won seven gold, six silver, six bronze, and I kind of thought, well, that doesn't really sound like that many. I thought Brazil, you know, I'm doing an Andrew Gaze here. I thought that they did a lot better in the Olympics, but it is the best they've ever done at the Olympics. I mean, they generally only win sort of about three gold. They're kind of like Canada, they only win a couple. They won three in London, three in Beijing, five in Athens. They didn't win a single gold in Sydney at all, Brazil. It is the very first time they've gone to seven gold, and it's the very first time they've finished in the top 15 of a medal tally as well. So good on you, Brazil, you really did improve, so that's good. And I was just looking in terms of...

COLIN HILDING: Thank you, Neymar.

BEN WATERWORTH: Thank you, Neymar. I'm looking at the hosts. So I found a tally here of host nations and how they did. They won the least amount of gold medals in terms of a host nation since Greece back in 2004. But again, you've got to remember that China and Great Britain hosted the last two Olympics, so they're going to always win a lot. But I'm sure they're happy with it. We got a nice little montage at the end of the closing ceremony, the Channel 7 of all Brazil's gold medals, so that was nice. But yeah, well done, Brazil.

COLIN HILDING: What was the theme music that your montage was played to?

BEN WATERWORTH: I was happy we got two montages, because I was a bit disappointed with that all-Brazilian one, because I'm thinking, well, that's not a usual Channel 7 one. And then later on in the day, they had a best of the Rio Games one-hour show, to which they then played an extended one. So the first, the Brazilian one, was set to a cover of Chris Isaac's Wicked Game, and I believe that was by Ersin Volpine. I've never heard of them before, but that's what Shazam told me.

COLIN HILDING: It wasn't from Giselle's solo album?

BEN WATERWORTH: No, it wasn't. It wasn't. And then the montage that we got later on, which was much better, nothing against Brazil, but it focused a lot on the Australian ones, and I might play a little bit at the end of this episode. So we got a song called Both Sides Are Even by The Boxer Rebellion and a song called Pilgrim by Fink. Everyone right now is going, oh, I love those songs. But they're actually quite good songs, so they fit very well. What about you? What did CBC do? Did they do it to that band you were talking about the other day that I've gotten already?

COLIN HILDING: Yeah, predictably, they did it to the Tragically Hips, probably their biggest single they had ahead by a century. And the funniest part was that as they were showing the montage of everything from Canada's medals to Simone Biles to Usain Bolt, they put a clip in there of the Tragically Hips final encore, even though they weren't in Brazil. It had nothing to do with it, and it was a show that preempted the final days of the Olympics.

BEN WATERWORTH: Well, I suppose, do they have like a Greatest Hits album or something that they had to promote at the same time? Is that how it kind of works?

COLIN HILDING: Well, they have the imminent death of the lead singer, I guess, right, promoting. So maybe that's the reason why.

BEN WATERWORTH: It kind of helps, I guess. Just some other quick user for, again, we're kind of gelling over a lot of stuff here because it's the last bit, and we're going to get to the closing ceremony. But just got to mention our man Ryan Lochte. He's been dumped by all his sponsors. I mean, that was clearly going to happen. What's going on there? Colin, does Canada get a lot more Ryan Lochte? Because I think we're over him now. We don't hear much about him anymore.

COLIN HILDING: All of the coverage I'm seeing is all on American television. I recorded NBC because the Tragic Labe concert was preempting the Olympics on CBC, and an hour of their coverage was Ryan Lochte. So I don't think anybody in Canada really cares. I think it's something that everybody in the world is laughing at, not because they're laughing at the Americans, just because they're laughing at Ryan Lochte. But I don't think this is going to be a big deal anywhere but there.

BEN WATERWORTH: Jarrod, have you been paying much attention to Ryan Lochte, or have we moved on?

JARROD LOOBEEK: I feel like we've moved on. I think the Australian athlete is kind of getting into a spot of a border. He kind of took the heat off Ryan a little bit in terms of local coverage, so I haven't really been following him.

BEN WATERWORTH: He's got four major sponsors, including Speedo and Ralph Lauren. Oh no, not Ralph Lauren. And all the fact that he's gone, he's dyed his hair back, he's not having that grey stuff anymore, so good on you, Ryan. It's funny, I think I mentioned going through some of my old tapes and stuff, putting them on my computer, and I was going through the Beijing ones, and I happened to flick through a bit where it was like, Ryan Lochte, you won a medal in it or something like that. Wow, gee, he hadn't really changed. Anyway, we kind of touched on what we watched. I just want to mention the marathon. I mean, I guess I've never really watched too much of the marathon, but I mean, that was epic. Watching these guys cross the finish line, and then even the people who are finishing in 50th place are celebrating like they've won. I mean, it was just amazing to see. Of course, the Ethiopian silver medallist Faisa Lelesa, I think that's how you say his name, apparently getting into a bit of trouble back home. He gave a bit of a political protest as he crossed the line by crossing his arms up. Apparently, he reckoned that was an idea that he might get murdered when he gets back home, but apparently Ethiopia have said, no, no, come back home, it's all good.

COLIN HILDING: I thought that was another throwback to Degeneration X or something.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yes, $10, we'll find out. He's dead in a couple of weeks. I had to laugh. I'm kind of preempting the Athlete of the Day nomination here, but I want to... The guy who finished in 33rd place, this is how much I was paying attention to it. He's from America. His name, I'm going to butcher his name, Mebratom Keflasigi. As he was about to cross the line, he slipped over because it was raining. And as he fell over, before he picked himself up on the finish line, decided to do some push-ups. So then he got up and celebrated the fact that he finished in 33rd place. It was amazing. I don't know how much of this, Colin, you saw with the marathon. I mean, you were split screening with Penny Alexiak saying one word, but I loved it. I thought it was great. Good on these people for getting so happy for just finishing.

COLIN HILDING: Well, it really is the most intense sport there is in the Olympics just because of, I mean, the longevity of what you have to do. I mean, I've done some 5 and 10Ks in the middle of trying to get ready for a half marathon. It's cool how excited people get about this, because I would think, well, you're just watching somebody run slowly, and there was one 10K race I did out of town here, and people would be standing on their driveways ready to tag your hand. It's like, you don't know me. I'm just some guy from an hour and a half away who paid 40 bucks to run in a race, but people get excited about it. I've never fallen. I thought for a second maybe Meb had tripped over Mo Farah or something, but I guess the rain really dampened a lot of things on the final day. But yeah, the marathon's fun to watch. I like these races. I mentioned the other day with the cross-country cycling that it's hard sometimes to get excited when they can't even show the pack because everybody's separated by 30 seconds to a minute. But there's something exciting about watching somebody just do this grueling, intense event where there's entertainment to be had just to see how much they're sweating and how much work they're putting into it.

BEN WATERWORTH: I mean, this is such a cliché thing to say, but fuck it, I'm going to say it anyway. It's what the Olympics are all about. I mean, this is, you know, I am an uncoordinated fat guy who sits on his ass for probably 22 hours of the day and sleeps the other two. I mean, like, I am not fit. I am not athletic. I never have been, and the closest I ever got to doing any representing of any Olympic sport was when I tried out for a Southern Tasmanian field hockey team and didn't even get close to making it. So that's about the extent of my athletic ability. So to watch these grown men and women compete in sports like this and, you know, like, get over that line... I mean, this is like what... I was having this conversation with my mum in terms of, like, you know, it was all in the media. Australia suck at the Olympics. We need to talk about what we're spending money on. It's like, if I made the Olympics, if I was told, Ben, you are going to compete in the Olympics, if I walked out there and I was in judo and I was Uchi-mata'd in three seconds, I wouldn't give a flying fuck because I am an Olympian. You can never take that away from me. I got to walk out in the opening ceremony. I got to do this. So to see these guys celebrating the fact that they're finishing in 33rd place, that's to me what it is. It's amazing. It's awesome. Good on you, men in the marathon and the women in the marathon and in any Olympic sport. So that's Ben's cliche horse.

COLIN HILDING: What you just said, it's really summed up what we talked about the other day with Mr. Greasy Chest from Tonga. Everybody was excited about him originally just because he had incredible abs, and he was all Greasy stuff. But when he actually got in this event, and you could barely recognize him, he's covered in so much pads, he got just as much publicity just because of how excited he was. I mean, he lost 9 to 1, and the one point he scored, he jumped for joy as if he had won the gold medal. And that is kind of what the Olympics are about. There are athletes who will go there like, I got to compete in the Olympics, that's what matters to me.

BEN WATERWORTH: Exactly, and that's why I joke and say, I'm going to make the Australian curling team. I mean, when I used to do my radio show, we'd track down an Australian curler, which really wasn't that hard, because there's like 40 of them in the entire country. I mean, that's probably the best chance. If you and I right now want to represent Australia in the Olympics, it's probably the best chance we've got. I mean, Australia's never made the curling in the Olympics. I think we made it nearly like we got eliminated by New Zealand in a play-off, so we didn't make it. But, like, if I have to weigh up the odds of all the Olympic sports, I'm going to say curling's probably up there as one that we have a crack at, Jarrod, if we want to try and do this.

JARROD LOOBEEK: Oh, absolutely. I mean, it's a sport that you can practice at home just mopping the floors, so it's really your best chance for the average person to make it to the Olympics.

BEN WATERWORTH: Oh, I can't wait to continue on this into the Winter Olympics, because, like, I mean, seriously, Colin, I guess curling's probably played in prime time there on a Friday night. I don't know, but, like, here, like, it's just... No one knows what it is until the Winter Olympics are on, and then every four years, it's literally, oh, what is this sport? They have the same, like, questions and segments on every four years, and Australia just don't give two shits about curling.

COLIN HILDING: Yeah, curling really is... It's not even a joke, it is prime time here. Not even just the Olympics. You could just have the regular Canadian tour going on, and three months out of the year, you're tuning in to two or three channels that are airing the exact same event. But I think that's what we're going to experience when we do get to Pyeongchang, is we're going to experience something where Canada doesn't win gold in curling and hockey. Maybe we take a silver, and now we have the disappointment that Australia had in the swimming pool.

BEN WATERWORTH: Well, it just reminds me, we always bring up the Simpsons, but that's just life. That one episode where they go to Canada, and they're like, what is it? Bart and Milhouse are fighting, and the commentator is like, oh, some Yankee doodle just crossed on the thing. Both our viewers will be thrilled. I love that episode. Jarrod, I don't know if you caught much of the marathon. Did you see any of that or anything else much on the last day?

JARROD LOOBEEK: I did see lots of the ending in the marathon, and I did love that moment where the American guy slips over. I thought that was great, and I love how in the typical commentators' jinx fashion, I think our guy kind of crossed the line maybe a couple of spots earlier, and he nearly fell on the commentators, like they really should mop that up. Somebody could fall at any second, and then you see the American guy go down. Other than that, I just watched bits and pieces of everything. The Ruth McJimnir 6 final was absolutely amazing. You don't know how much you need to see gymnasts throwing clubs through hoops until it's there on TV, and you question your life and what you've been missing all these years. The mountain bike, I think it's fair that it is called the cross country, because from what I saw, they are actually running their bikes up the hill more than they're often riding them up the hill. I don't know what the rules are with that, but every time they seem to kind of fall off or bunch together, and then they didn't have any momentum to get up the hill, they just hop off and run their bike up the hill, which I think is a bit suspect.

BEN WATERWORTH: It's an interesting sport. I think the one, though, that Jarrod shared with us, and I watched and then Colin watched, and the wrestling in this whole situation. So we had a bronze medal bout in the 65-kilogram class with a Mongolian wrestler, Mandakharan Ganzorig, was judged to have lost his contest with the Uzbekistanian wrestler of Ikhatiour Navarzov. So the Mongolian coaches were so incensed with the decision that they stormed onto the mat and started stripping. Now, I've never been to Mongolia. I don't know how Mongolians generally protest losing sport, but I mean, Colin, this was... I've never seen anything like this. This was... I mean, if only the women's high jump had have ended in such controversial circumstances. But this was interesting.

COLIN HILDING: The thing that made it really funny was the theatricality of it. The fact that the... I mean, it was kind of a bizarre situation, I guess, where there was a penalty coin awarded right at the end. They were tied. They decided, well, this guy got the last point, so he technically wins. The first coach came out, ripped off his shirt in protest, and the second coach came out trying to hold him back, like, no, no, it's not worth it. And then he went even further and ripped his shirt and pants off. And they just strutted around. Meanwhile, the Mongolian athlete's out there shaking his head and then going to shake the hand of the Uzbekistan winner. And the coaches are still protesting. I mean, the commentators here are like, this is not what sports are about. These men should be banned for life. At least brought a little bit of entertainment to it, I guess.

BEN WATERWORTH: Well, I mean, this made me want to watch wrestling. This was like the WWE. I was legitimately waiting for the Mongolian to pick up a chair and start smacking the referee around the head. I mean, this was like just a couple of stone throws away from them. I love the fact then that the wrestler then, when he went to, he shook the competitor's hand, but then he refused to shake the referee's hand. He's like, no, no, no, I'm not. I don't agree with your decision. I'm not shaking your hand. Jarrod, you shared...

COLIN HILDING: I'm not going as far as to strip down in front of you, but I won't shake your hand.

BEN WATERWORTH: Jarrod, you shared this in our little group on Facebook. I mean, again, I hadn't seen this until you... I saw like a headline saying like, controversy in the wrestling. But I mean, were you watching this live?

JARROD LOOBEEK: I didn't watch it live. I think I saw something similar to you and then made a point of going to find it and watch it. The thing I just loved was, I mean, you have the initial how the penalty points awarded because the Mongolian wrestler with like 10 seconds left just starts running away from the guy from his Pakistan in the ring and pretty much just taunting him that he's going to lose this fight. Then they award the penalty point, the Mongolian is like, how is this happening to me? Then you have this canner with the Mongolian coaches while the Uzbekistan, his coach is in the background, picks up the Uzbekistan guy and slams him on the mat in a takedown to the celebration of his win that's going on in the background where you have this in the front. And then just to like add insult injury, then because of this like demonstration by the Mongolian coaches, the judges award another point to the guy from Uzbekistan, so now he's clearly the winner by one more point. And it's just ridiculous. It just escalates. There's so much going on. It's a type of clip you could just watch over and over again each time you find something different to laugh at. Easily my favourite moment from the final two days, if not from the whole Olympics.

BEN WATERWORTH: I'm going to say, I reckon this is just, I think this was all planned. I think that wrestling knew that their sport sucked, and they're still scared that they're going to lose out to like sport climbing for Tokyo. So they've like deliberately gone, all right, what can we do in the final day to make people talk about wrestling? Make wrestling the most talked about sport of Rio 2016. I know, let's get some fat Mongolians to strip. And it worked. We're talking about it right now. So it's clearly up there.

COLIN HILDING: In typical Usain Bolt fashion, those coaches said before it started, this sport needs fat Mongolian men to strip in front of the audience. And I guess they're right, because I'm sure wrestling will be back now because everybody's going to be tuning in the next time Mongolia has a fight.

BEN WATERWORTH: Exactly, I completely agree. Interesting. I already give in my athlete of the day, but I mean, I don't know if you two want to chime in or is this the Mongolian sweep or Jarrod? I mean, do you have anyone else besides if we've mentioned?

JARROD LOOBEEK: No, no, it's just got to be the Mongolian wrestler. There's no other option that's right in this situation.

BEN WATERWORTH: Colin, are you there? Okay, got it. Easiest one we've ever done. Moving straight through. Well, I think kind of with wife of the day, it's not really a case of who's the wife of the day. I've got to decide. I've got a few here to choose from in terms of who just wins it. Because apparently I'm the prize.

COLIN HILDING: Can Jarrod and I take bets here?

BEN WATERWORTH: Sure, go for it. Take some bets.

COLIN HILDING: I'm betting on the Kiwi High jumper, Eliza McCartney.

BEN WATERWORTH: Jarrod, are you putting some money on this?

JARROD LOOBEEK: Yeah, I mean, I was going to say the first Mongolian stripper, but I might have to go the same as what Colin said.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, well, I was pretty keen to put him up. But I think somehow Eliza McCartney takes the cake. I've actually, I will say, I've done a bit of research during the last couple of days, and I've managed to find...

COLIN HILDING: A bit of research.

BEN WATERWORTH: I've managed to find...

COLIN HILDING: There was a bit of research. A bit of research was shared with the two of us. I'm sure you did a whole lot more on your own.

BEN WATERWORTH: I found 11 things you didn't know about Eliza. This is an article on the New Zealand Herald. Again, New Zealand clearly loves the fact that they have an athlete who wins a bronze medal. They're not very exciting facts. It does say that she's got a boyfriend, but I don't give a shit in this case, because he's a New Zealander, and they don't really count. So, I mean, they're really like... I mean, fact number six, her coach is former builder Jeremy McColl. 33, a gymnast. 33, hang on. So how old is... dad? What? Oh, coach, I thought that was a dad. I was about to say Jesus. Dad got started young, and she's like 19. What, maybe 14? I'm glad I read that correctly. I love how they say former builder Jeremy McColl. Does everyone in New Zealand know who builders are? A gymnast who took up pole vaulting in his 20s and won a couple of national titles. McColl believes pole vaulting can take off in New Zealand. I've always believed New Zealand can become world class because of the way Kiwi kids are talent-wise. They're very keen on extreme sports, and you don't have to be the most amazing athlete to be a pole vaulter. What you need is a lot of skulls. How is pole vaulting extreme sport? You fuckwit. Like, this is stupid. Do you want to do it? I'd do it if Eliza McCartney's involved. These are actually really boring facts. I don't know why I'm even... McCartney was a 13-year-old high jumper with ambitions to be a netball international when she first discovered pole vault after following a friend to McColl training session. Good for her. And fact 11. McCartney believes women can match the men in pole vault, telling TVNZ, thongs are really moving forward very fast and the sport's evolving very quickly. We'll be pushing some heights near the boys, hopefully. Watch out, boys! We're watching, Eliza. Trust me. So, is this the part where I'm meant to propose at the end of it? Uh, but yeah, probably not.

COLIN HILDING: Well, you did promise that for the last 18 days.

BEN WATERWORTH: Oh, Eliza, will you marry me? Oh, yes, been absolutely! There you go.

COLIN HILDING: If that's the way she talks, then maybe you should take it back.

BEN WATERWORTH: Well, you heard the way she talked. As I posted in the group, if she learns to speak English, then we can talk better. So, that's how it rolls. But she could be mute. It doesn't bother me. Anyway, I don't have a lot else. We should really get to the closing ceremony here. Channel 7. I mean, this kind of goes into the closing ceremony because there was a whole lot of hate online for Channel 7's cringe-worthy closing ceremony coverage. Let's just talk about the closing ceremony. Let's not beat around the bush. It was shit. The best bit about it was the Japanese Prime Minister coming out from Mario. I don't know, Jarrod, if there's anything else to add more so than that because I mean, I guess it really was like the opening ceremony. It kind of was shit.

JARROD LOOBEEK: Yeah, I didn't really watch it in its entirety, only really saw highlights. And considering there were highlights, they weren't that exciting, so I can't imagine what the full thing would have been like. I do think it maybe was a bit more similar to my expectations, considering the whole sort of carnival theme kind of carried through the highlights that I saw. So it was more what I was expecting from an opening ceremony, I suppose. But yeah, similar. Just there was no kind of big wow factor from the hearts that I saw. So yeah, similar things playing it to the opening ceremony in my mind.

BEN WATERWORTH: Thomas Bach still talking in the end as well. Colin, did you have anything extra maybe to add? Are we being too harsh on the closing ceremony?

COLIN HILDING: Well, I think I enjoyed it a little more than the opening ceremonies, although I do have to say with the opening ceremonies, every segment they had seemed a little bit different, and this just seemed like a bunch of synchronised dancing for two and a half hours. I did get some enjoyment that their final display when they could have done anything basically is that they put a bunch of grown adults out there dressed as broccoli florets dancing to some resilient music. That was a little bit too much for me. But yeah, I agree. I think the Tokyo one was surprising, the Tokyo display, because it wasn't what I expected. It wasn't about history or culture. It was kind of about present day. I do question a little bit how much of Japan was in there, because they seemed to be playing like some 1920s American jazz music for some reason. And the idea that the spokesman, I guess, of modern day Japanese culture is a Japanese stereotype of an Italian American. I mean, I can't imagine back in Atlanta, I guess in Barcelona, the Atlanta display had been, you know, some stereotypical Japanese screaming citizen running from Godzilla. I don't know if it would have gone over so well. Maybe they could have put something a little bit more Japanese in there, but it was still fun, I guess.

BEN WATERWORTH: Well, you're kind of ruining the illusion now that you put it that way. But yeah, I mean, I see that. I love the fact that that little display, you had like Hello Kitty in it. That's Japanese, right? Like a lot of anime. I just thought it was hilarious the fact that you had the Japanese Prime Minister dressed as Mario. Like, could you imagine, like, if they go back to London and the Queen, like, comes out dressed as something really British? Like, eh, hello, I'm the Queen! Like, dressed as, I don't know. Like, I don't know how popular the Japanese Prime Minister is, but, you know, I couldn't imagine...

COLIN HILDING: Well, could we have had his wife next to him as Sailor Moon or something like that?

BEN WATERWORTH: Yes, that would have worked. But I'm still sad that we didn't see the Hobart 2020 cultural display. That would have been so much better. I've been dreaming about that moment for years. One thing I have to question, though, in the middle of this closing ceremony, we just had a glorified ad for the Olympic Channel, which didn't even explain what it was. And I've had to Google it. And apparently, it's an... And this is what it says, is an over-the-top internet television service to be operated by the International Olympic Committee, basically showing year-round interest in Olympic sports between summer and winter, especially among a younger audience. So that's what it is. Apparently, that needed us to see a DJ performance by Kaigo featuring some other woman who I don't even know who it was. So yes, great. And I think I mentioned in our chat that our Channel 7 coverage involved talking up Canada a lot, Colin. So even Australia was talking up Canada. And then their next thing was, oh, look out in the Gold Coast. They're going to be pretty good in the Commonwealth Games. Australia is so focused on the Commonwealth Games.

COLIN HILDING: I guess you have to set the bar low now that you flopped at the Olympics.

BEN WATERWORTH: Now, are you watching the Gold Coast? We're going to get beat by England and Canada. So I don't know. I mean, Jarrod, from what you did see, any Channel 7 cringe worthy moments, I mean, a lot of tweets coming in, bagging out the commentary. I honestly don't think it was that bad. I think nothing can beat the... Oh, and also the first line of a Beach Boys from the opening ceremony.

JARROD LOOBEEK: Yeah, I didn't see anything too bad from the closing ceremony, going back to the events on the last couple of days. During the women's marathon, there was a comment, don't have to stop for the red lights in case you were wondering. Which I'm like, yes, while I'm watching an Olympic sport where they're racing against each other, I'm wondering why when they come to the intersection at the traffic lights on their bikes, they're not stopping and they're breaking the law, and I think they should be tracked down and fined for going through those red lights. Just the dumbest thing you could possibly say in just typical Channel 7 Australian Olympic commentary.

BEN WATERWORTH: Didn't quite catch that one, but we need to go back and watch it. Yeah, overall, we will give Channel 7 a medium, I don't know, pass, fail, whatever. Overall, CBC, obviously, Colin made the news a lot for their comments about pigs and not knowing who Michael Phelps is. Do they have the Olympics still for a few more years, or is it up for tender again in Canada?

COLIN HILDING: What do you mean, like for coverage?

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, so do they still have the rights for the next few Olympics?

COLIN HILDING: I would assume so. I mean, in my lifetime, I can remember only one time that they didn't have it, so it must just be a lock at this point. We did have one kind of awkward moment I've mentioned, I think, all the way back in our first episode. The biggest disappointment Canada had in the Olympics was in Athens, and one of the reasons is that we had like a Sherlock for a gold in hurdles for Perdita Felicien, and then she wiped out on the first hurdle and took another runner down with her. She's now one of the head commentators and interviewers for CBC, and they had her on with the other commentators for the closing ceremonies. And there was this one really awkward moment. I wish I could remember which country it was that came out, and they were doing this weird crouching down dance all together as they were marching on to the field. And they were commenting on that in Perdida Felicia and said, that's what you call getting low, low, low. I would do that, but then I wouldn't get up, up, up.

BEN WATERWORTH: Geez. I wonder if...

COLIN HILDING: Which is very true. If you did see her run the hurdles in Athens, that would be true.

BEN WATERWORTH: I wonder if there's like a country out there that just has normal commentary, like, I mean, I'm sure if we went to like, I don't know, Estonia, like, do they just have like normal commentary? This is an event and we're going to commentate on it and not try and be funny. Like, Hungary would have it. Like, they're not funny. So, like, they would just, you know. Yes, and in Hungary we win medals.

COLIN HILDING: And here comes our Hungarian athletes onto the field. Moving on.

BEN WATERWORTH: I can't imagine the Russians being exactly funny either. Like, have you ever met a funny Russian? Like, no offence to Russia. I shouldn't say that. They'll probably blow me up. Like, the funniest thing I've ever seen from Russia is they stuffed up the Olympic rings, so they murdered the guy who did that in the opening ceremony, and then made a joke about it in the closing ceremony. Like, what's a Russian comedy? Anybody out there? It's a very serious country, Russia.

COLIN HILDING: Well, yeah, I mean, my heritage, I guess you could technically say is Russian, but I did mention on another episode that it's technically Georgia, which is separated now, and Russians don't like to admit that Georgia was ever part of it. So I'm not going to claim. That's right. I was going to say that's the reason why, if you haven't laughed at anything I've said this whole podcast, is maybe because I have a little bit of Russian in me.

BEN WATERWORTH: Stop rushing your jokes, Colin. See, I've got Hungarian in me. It's not funny.

COLIN HILDING: Australians are so much funnier than Russians.

BEN WATERWORTH: Hey, we talk about triathletes not stopping at traffic lights. So obviously, we don't really have a Canadian athlete of the day. I just really... With the fan messages, actually, I wasn't going to do this, but I just had to quickly mention this because the AOC app has eight hours ago put a story up basically just on fan messages. So they've got, throughout the lead up to and during the Olympic Games, our athletes have been inundated with inspiring messages from audiences at home, thousands of fan messages, blah, blah, blah, blah. So they've gone and put up, here are a few of the best fan messages published on olympics.com.au. And they're all just sort of, you know, you're bullshit, blah, blah, blah, you're amazing. I love the fact here that we never saw this one. A year four student sent one to Kate Campbell and put a poem. C for courage, A for amazing, T for tenacious, E for excellent. Where's the one for C for crap?

COLIN HILDING: Where's the G for G-mark?

BEN WATERWORTH: Exactly, but I had to laugh because there are actually a few fan messages still on the actual page. There were some blinders here, like they say this is so good. A shanty, not the singer, somebody from Victoria. To Kate Campbell of all people, you are so good at swimming. This one, smile for a while from South Australia to Dane Bird-Smith, our bronze medallist in the 20km walk. I like to walk.

COLIN HILDING: That's the message.

BEN WATERWORTH: From Aaron in South Australia to Aaron Baines. Hi Aaron Baines.

COLIN HILDING: The greatest fan message is.

BEN WATERWORTH: From Honya Jeff John, MFD in Western Australia to Damian Martin. Hi, in your biggest fan, I heart you. If you don't reply, don't worry, I'll still love you. There's one here.

COLIN HILDING: And ours did not make it.

BEN WATERWORTH: This one actually, I'm not going to laugh at this one, because this one's actually kind of sweet. From Holly in South Australia to Bronte Campbell. While my dad is dying of cancer, you are the only thing making me smile. Oh, that's nice. Smile for a while again. This one went into Mack Horton this time. Good on you.

COLIN HILDING: Anything specific or just in general?

BEN WATERWORTH: There's one, I'm trying to find it. Somebody actually included their address. Like, I'm not even kidding. I don't think I'll read it out in there, because both our listeners will. From Malachia Boyle in Victoria to Ellie Carpenter. They've started out with their actual address. And then it's got, I think they think they're writing a letter like old-style, because they've written their address. Then they've written a date, 22 August. Dear Ellie, I watched the whole game against Brazil. It was an amazing game. It was so close. I cannot believe that there had to be a penalty shootout. I have never seen a closer game. I also play soccer at Williamtown Soccer Club. I think soccer is the best sport ever. Michaela. I've got her address.

COLIN HILDING: I wonder, did they screenshot a postage stamp to include with the message?

BEN WATERWORTH: Max in Victoria to Patty Mills. Hello. Good job. I just think there was a couple of gold ones there at the end there. Good on you people for sending in fan messages. I think we need to talk about our favourite modes of the games. Favourite modes of this podcast. Now, I want to read this one out because, Colin, you're about to leave us very shortly. And I put the post up on our Facebook page to ask any of our listeners, what were your favourite moments, blah, blah, blah. We had one reply. Now, this is from a listener. I don't know, Colin, maybe if you know this person, from Jamie Hilding.

COLIN HILDING: Oh, yeah. The famous Jamie Hilding.

BEN WATERWORTH: My favourite part was when Colin wasn't with me, because I actually didn't really say that. My favourite part of the games was when Bolt and DeGrasse smiled at each other, and you could see that he made Bolt work for the win. My favourite part of the podcast was when you guys went over the questions and pictures that the athletes filled out. Also, that I think Canadians did an awesome job this year for medals. We kicked butt. Did you tell her to write that?

COLIN HILDING: We do. I didn't know she wrote that. I was worried she was going to say something embarrassing there.

BEN WATERWORTH: You didn't come to bed last night until 11.30. What were you doing? Stop looking at pictures of Eliza.

COLIN HILDING: 11.30 would be generous.

BEN WATERWORTH: Colin, what were your favourite moments of the games and I guess also of doing these podcasts?

COLIN HILDING: Well, I think the ones that I got most excited about were obviously the Canadian wins. When Penny Alexiak took the gold, I don't know if I've screamed that hard in a long time. Same for De Grasse. Even though the silver I think was a bigger deal, just the fact that I didn't really know for sure if he could hold his own in the 100 metre and the fact that he came in bronze, that was one of my favourite moments. And I will agree, the moment where him and Bolt were kind of smiling at each other at the finish line, you never see that in any sport. A, it shows how competitive these guys are, but also they can just have fun at it. I mean, they weren't worried about, oh, well, I could have done half second faster or anything. It was just like, yeah, that was funny. I think outside of the Canadian winds, I really loved Shawnee Miller when she dove across the finish line. That was probably my favourite moment. And the fact that there was some controversy about that, too, is hilarious. Mo Farah, you know, being able to repeat in two different events and anything the same bolt, obviously. Aside from that, on this podcast, I do think our fan messages in the Canadian profiles, that was a good decision. We included those in there. We learned a lot about Australian school children, and we learned a lot about how loaded most Canadian athletes were when they wrote their profiles. So, yeah, it was a fun Olympics and a fun project to do this coverage of it throughout.

BEN WATERWORTH: Indeed. Jarrod, what about you?

JARROD LOOBEEK: My favourite Olympic moment would have to be the Fiji Rugby Sevens team winning. They showed footage of that in kind of the highlights package, and still, just each time I watch it, it's just so exciting to watch, and it just makes you feel so happy for them, and there's so much emotion there. In terms of Australian results, Chloe Esposito can't go past it. Just such an unexpected gold medal, and such an exciting sport that I didn't think would be interesting or fun to watch, and I just love the way that... The way that they end the modern pentathlon, I think it's the best ending of any sport with that kind of penalty system, time delay based on your results so far. I think that's a great system. We need more pentathlons, the ancient pentathlon, the postmodern pentathlon. I just want to see pentathlons across all sports, any combination possible. I hope we get a pentathlon in the Winter Olympics with curling in it. In terms of the podcast, I just loved talking about the Green Pool. It's still something that I can't believe, and I feel like it came up so often. It just exemplifies the Rio Olympics, the Green Pool. I think that's the main takeaway that we leave this Olympics with.

BEN WATERWORTH: I was going to say Chloe Esposito. Cliche, I know. But just her reaction as well, winning that gold, that just summed up Australia's reaction. The fact that we got a gold or a medal, that there was a sport in the Olympics called modern pentathlon. So that really just summed that up. I mean, outside of that, I like Kyle Chalmers winning it. I mean, no one again knew who he was, and now everybody does. And apparently I heard a bit that he's even considering just going to try and still get into the AFL now, even though he's won an Olympic gold medal. So he's like, I've got my Olympic gold medal. I'll try and play footy now. And also Anamies, special note to Anna, I mean, winning that bronze, and just her reaction of winning. We didn't really talk too much about her reaction of winning the bronze. I mean, she was just so happy with that. So good on you. Bolt, obviously, everything bolt. Ryan Lochte gave us a lot of stuff to talk about, which was great. And just the fact that we had so many countries winning their very first Olympic gold medals in these games. Obviously, Singapore, you know, Fiji, as you mentioned, Bahrain, Cote d'Ivoire won their first gold. I'm seeing here Tajikistan. Good on them. So, yeah, it was great to see. And the podcast, look, I just enjoyed it all. I'm going to be incredibly cliché, but it was fun. We literally came up with this idea, I think, three days before the Olympics started. And then we've managed to do it basically every day. So it's been great. The fan messages were fun. Yeah, the green pool was just hilarious. Mr. Denise shitting himself. Anything to do with Ryan Lochte. Me being a perv, but passing it off as trying to be romantic and get a wife. Let's be honest, I'm just single and pervy. So that's all it is. But yeah, it's about everything covered. It's kind of sad that this is it. This is, well, at least for Rio anyway. I mean, we've come back for Pyeongchang, and who knows, the Commonwealth Games maybe. We might try and find some interviews. Colin, Penny Alexiak might knock on your door and say, hey, I want to be interviewed after a half an hour press conference. I don't know. So we don't know what's it moving forward. But it's been fun, Colin. I appreciate you being with us all the way from Canada. And Flynnflon, none of us mentioned Flynnflon is our favourite moment. What a legacy that's going to build that we started out on this show.

COLIN HILDING: Oh, and one day we will all meet together at the Walmart in Flynnflon, and we'll reminisce about the great days of Off The Podium season one.

BEN WATERWORTH: I'm looking forward to it. Jarrod, as well, for you. Thank you so much. It's been a blast, and I loved how you said in our group that basically now the Olympics are over, you can stop sleeping on the couch and go back to your bed. So that works out well, too.

JARROD LOOBEEK: Yeah, there's the one positive. Yeah, it's been so much fun. The good thing is, even though I suppose Winter Olympics in two years, Summer Olympics in four years' time, but the great thing is that it just goes so fast, and it doesn't feel like any time at all when it rolls back around. So I'm looking forward to the next lot of games.

BEN WATERWORTH: Indeed. We thank you everyone for your company throughout these last couple of weeks. Again, we might be back with interviews we don't know yet. We might surprise you with a Ryan Lochte interview. Who knows? But it's been a blast. Thank you to all our listeners for subscribing and liking on Facebook, all that sort of stuff. We're around still. Survivor Oz might be dead for a while, but Double L7 is still out there. New episodes coming soon. And who knows what else come from it. But we appreciate your time here on Off The Podium. Thank you so much for tuning in. And until Pyeongchang in about 16 months' time, we will speak to you then on Off The Podium. And good night.