Kailani Craine Interview

Another athlete interview to bring you today in the lead up to the 2018 Winter Olympics as we speak to one of Australia's most successful ever figure skaters heading into her first ever Olympics Kailani Craine! Kailani talks us through how she is feeling heading into her games, talking about her training, routine preparation and having to compete again before the games start. She also takes us through her unique introduction to the sport, why she never wants to stop, the experience of sitting in the 'kiss & cry room' as well as talking up her love for dogs, food and why she expects to see Ben walking into the Opening Ceremony next to her in the 2022 Winter Olympics.

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BEN WATERWORTH: Welcome, everybody, once again, to Off The Podium An Olympics Podcast, as we get so, so close to the 2018 Winter Games in Pyeongchang, Korea. Today, we have another athlete interview for you today. Very excited to speak to Kailani Craine. Now, Kailani is a figure skater about to compete in her very first Olympics. Now, of course, people would remember we spoke to her teammate, Brennan Carey, last year about the sport of figure skating, and it's now time to hear from Kailani, who is coming into this with some good form. She actually was the very first Australian athlete to be confirmed for the game, so she's had a bit of a wait to get on the plane and get to Korea. She won the 2017 CS Nebelhorn Trophy, which helped her qualify for the games. She's a multiple Australian champion and one of the greatest figure skaters to ever come from our country, so there's a lot of high hopes heading into the games for her. And she speaks to us about how she's feeling, how she thinks she's going to go, her training regime, just the excitement levels of her going to the Olympics, as it's obviously been a lifelong dream for her. And the fun story, I guess, of how she got involved in the sport in itself and how that sort of has translated into a very big passion of hers and how much she loves the sport. We talk about the little green room bit, which we learnt today is called the Kiss and Cry Room. There's dogs involved in this interview. There's some fun stories about food and potentially talking about me being an Olympic teammate of hers in four years' time in Beijing. So it's a fun chat here with Australian 2018 Olympian Kailani Craine, and you're about to hear that right now. It's a massive pleasure to be able to welcome our next guest here to Off The Podium today, as we are now less than four weeks away from the 2018 Pyeongchang Winter Games. She's going to be competing in the sport of figure skating. She's a multiple national champion. She's one of the best figure skaters to ever come from our country, and she's about to enter her very first Olympics in very good form. I do, of course, speak of Kailani Craine, and she's on the line with me today. Kailani, welcome to Off The Podium today.

KAILANI CRAINE: Hi, thank you for having me.

BEN WATERWORTH: It's a pleasure, because particularly given that we are so close to the games now, so close, I'm sure that this is all your mind is focused on right now. You're only, no doubt, weeks away from, I guess, getting on a plane, heading to Korea. How are you feeling right now, Kailani? How are the nerves? How's everything going right now as you head to your very first Olympic Games?

KAILANI CRAINE: Oh, I'm so excited. I feel like I could go right now. I really want to. I could get on a plane tomorrow and go to Korea and start. I'm really looking forward to it so much. I think it's just it hasn't really sunk in yet. I think it's going to sink in when I get to Korea. So I'm hoping that there's not too many cameras around because I feel like I'm just going to burst into tears and embarrass myself completely. But I mean, I think that's when all my emotions will come out, and especially going into the opening ceremony, I'm really looking forward to it.

BEN WATERWORTH: Now, you were the first Australian, I believe, to actually be confirmed for the game. So for you, it's kind of been a bit of a long wait, I guess, given that all these other athletes are kind of confirming their spots right now in the lead up to the Olympics. So I mean, does that kind of add a bit of extra stuff there for yourself that you've kind of had to wait a little bit longer than some of the other Aussie athletes that are about to compete?

KAILANI CRAINE: Yeah, I mean, I'm still kind of just don't even haven't processed it completely yet. I mean, it was just, I can't believe that I've completed my goal that I set out for myself years and years ago. But to be the first announced was awesome because we got to try on our opening ceremony uniforms and everything. So that was really fun to do in Sydney. So definitely, it's just great to be announced. And as soon as a lot of the international figure skating teams only just got announced last week. So, especially for me, being a figure skater and was already selected so early, I really could just knuckle down and train.

BEN WATERWORTH: And you're currently in the US, you're in Los Angeles, which is where you're based. And I mean, is that when is the trip to Korea? Do you kind of have that all locked in? Is that something that kind of you just have to keep training and work towards and kind of scheduling in the preparation for the games?

KAILANI CRAINE: Well, actually, I have another competition to do before Korea. So I leave for that on Saturday.

BEN WATERWORTH: Wow.

KAILANI CRAINE: I know, and it's kind of, I have to focus on that competition, but I'm just so excited about Korea. So I have to actually kind of stop thinking about Korea, just get through one thing at a time. I mean, I have to think about it every single day I wake up. I'm like, yes, one day closer, but I haven't even thought really about the competition coming up. I mean, I just really want to go to the games.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, just get that small little one out of the way. You know, the preparation and just, you know, worry about sort of that small little Olympic event that's happening in a few weeks. But it's, I mean, your program, I believe, is at the last of the figure skating scheduling, as in the ladies is kind of the last one. So you, in itself, will be there, have the opening ceremony, have all that experience. But I guess you've then got to kind of wait basically right to the end. So, I mean, is that better for yourself as a competitor? Do you thrive on sort of things like that? Or would you rather that kind of yours is a lot sooner than it actually is on the schedule?

KAILANI CRAINE: I mean, like, obviously, I'd rather compete earlier so I could enjoy my time a little bit more freely in the Olympic Village. But I'm not going to complain. I mean, I'm going to the Olympics. There's nothing to complain about. I'm already going to have an amazing time and enjoy everything and soak up all the atmosphere. And I'll definitely try and get to as many events to watch as possible. So really, it's not going to change that much. I mean, I'm just so grateful to be going to the Olympics. So I'm definitely not even going to complain about the scheduling because at the end of the day, I could not be going. So definitely, I have no complaints. I'm just happy to be going to represent Australia at the Olympic Games.

BEN WATERWORTH: I personally love the Winter Olympics more than the Summer Olympics just because I love the sports that are held at the Winter Games. You know, unique sports that as Australians, we obviously don't really get to see a whole lot of. And I mean, figure skating is always one that I am incredibly fascinated about. I mean, I'm a person, Kailani, that can't even skate, let alone sort of lift a skate up on one leg, let alone jump, let alone spin, do these amazing things that you do. And I love the story of how you got involved in the sport that basically it was what a hot day in Newcastle. You decided to go skating as a little girl and kind of the rest is history. So it's weird that you sort of have to owe the hot weather in Australia for your, you know, Olympic career now in a very cold sport.

KAILANI CRAINE: Yeah, I mean, it's really crazy. I actually did begin because I started quite late in the sport as well compared to the other figure skaters that I compete against. So, I mean, I just, you know, thankfully, Australia is very hot. So I just decided to go skating one day and it was the best decision I ever made. I can tell you that now, but I really just took one thing at a time. It wasn't even something like I went into the sport knowing that I wanted to go to the Olympics. It was I was just having the time of my life, just doing what I was doing when I was little. I really enjoyed skating, especially I didn't even want days off on things like Easter, on Christmas. I wanted to go into the rink all the time. And I think that's why I have been more successful, because no one really had to push me to do anything, because I really just enjoyed it so much. And I still do. I absolutely love what I do every day. And I'm so grateful just to be able to skate, let alone go to the Olympics for skating. So to me, it's not a job. It's definitely fun.

BEN WATERWORTH: And for someone like myself, who, as I said, has no ability in the sport itself, but I mean, the training schedules when it comes to it, I mean, I can imagine that, you know, what is the main parts that you're generally working on? Is it the jumps? Is it the spins? And you're kind of always working with your coaches to come up with sort of new elements for your routines? Because I can imagine just the competitive nature of the sport and everybody trying to one up the other athlete by performing these, you know, amazing moves that you guys do. It just must always be go, go, go on that training schedule to try and ensure that you are at that peak performance, ready for a competition like the Olympics.

KAILANI CRAINE: Yeah, it's really, I mean, the hardest thing about figure skating, I would say, is the jumps. And then you have to get the jumps, then put them into a routine, where it's, stamina-wise, it's very strenuous, especially in a free program. So it's hard to, especially this year for me, it was hard to actually work on my elements and still run my routines, because I competed so much this season, and it paid off, because that's how I did get named to the team so fast. But definitely, that's the hard thing about skating, is that you've got to keep up doing these routines, but somehow get harder elements into that routine. So you have to work on everything, basically. But I actually did put harder elements into my program that I didn't think that I would before the Olympics. And I think it's been really going really well, and hopefully I can just put out a brilliant performance at the Olympics.

BEN WATERWORTH: Because obviously outside of the coaching, you got to work with the choreographer, you got to work with things like music and kind of come up with your routines. I mean, I can imagine that's the fun part of it, though, is that selecting the music. We had we spoke to Brendan Carey last year about this, and I remember just sort of talking about somebody that loves music that I can imagine is just the fun part. What song am I going to choose today? And how is this going to work with what we've been training on?

KAILANI CRAINE: Yeah, yeah, definitely. I love that end of the season when you're thinking about what you're going to do next season. And just you, I actually listen to music. And if I can't stop listening to it, that's when I know I've picked a good one. And if I actually imagine what kind of the routine is going to look like, and then I start, I'm a girl, so I start imagining things like dresses and what I'm going to do and how I'm going to design it. And it's so fun. And especially when you're getting choreography done. That is really, really fun because I actually genuinely love skating. So just any time on the ice and being able to put your own personality through your routines is definitely key. And it's so fun.

BEN WATERWORTH: And it is. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those unique sports, I guess you're mentioning even just with sort of the outfits and things like that, where you do, I guess, have that control, isn't it? Because I mean, if you were any other form of sport, you've obviously got a designated uniform that you're going to be wearing. So that's where I guess kind of figure skating really has that extra level for creativity, I guess, when it comes to the big stage like this.

KAILANI CRAINE: Definitely. I think that, I mean, it's very stressful because I am trying to pick all these colours and everything. I know it's first world problems, but it is definitely, I mean, I've only just designed a new free program dress for the Olympics. So I wanted to do a different one just so it can be a little bit more special. And my dressmaker, I feel so sorry for that woman. I mean, I give her way too many e-mails. And they are like books of all this information that I give her with all these different photos that she somehow has to put together. And I feel so sorry for her. She puts up with me very well. And on top of all that, I give her a few days to do it because I am kind of unorganised. And I'm like, oh, wait, that's right. I need a dress. And I go beg my dressmaker to make me one. And she always gets it done on time.

BEN WATERWORTH: Well, at the end of the day, I guess her dress is going to be seen by billions around the world when you are at the Olympics. So, I mean, there's a payoff slightly there to her.

KAILANI CRAINE: I don't know. I don't know if it's worth dealing with me over.

BEN WATERWORTH: But I mean, how are you feeling, Kailani, going into these games? I mean, we know obviously you've got a competition that you just said, but I mean, you did qualify for the Games, taking out, and I'm going to probably butcher the pronunciation. Is it the Nebelhorn Trophy? Am I saying that correctly? Good. All right. I'm glad. But obviously, you took that out, qualified for the Games. But psychologically, you know, you're prepared. Do you feel as though that you can sort of push for a certain result? Are you aiming for a certain result, or is it just kind of do your best and see where that ends up with?

KAILANI CRAINE: I really just want to do my best because I don't like to base things on results because then that matters on how other people do, and I don't want to focus on other people. I like to focus just on myself and what I can do. And I definitely think the way that I've been training, I feel great going into it. And also it's helped that I have competed in that arena a year ago. So definitely I feel great. And this is just living the dream. And I'm so excited. Like I said, I could leave tomorrow. I'm ready, and I feel great. I'm so excited. And I will probably cry every single day there with just joy. But definitely the only word that I could say is just so excited.

BEN WATERWORTH: Look, I would be crying every day too, as I keep saying to everybody we have on the show, Kailani, is that some of no athletic ability, my only way is through Olympics and getting to the Olympics, speaking to Olympians. So my long standing dream is to represent Australia in curling, because I believe that's the only sport I might have a chance of actually doing one day.

KAILANI CRAINE: Can I hold you to a word on that?

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, no, I hope so.

KAILANI CRAINE: I hope to see you at that next Olympics.

BEN WATERWORTH: I'll be walking side by side with you in Beijing in that opening ceremony.

KAILANI CRAINE: Yeah, I mean, it's actually really funny because, like I said, a lot of the international countries only have just selected their team, and it was only the US, because I'm in the US at the moment, it was US Nationals, the other, I think it was last week or the week before, and we were watching it on TV, and they had all these Olympic ads on, and my mum burst into tears about every 10 minutes when there was a break, and she was just like, she started sobbing and was just like, but you get to go, you get to go, and I was like, oh my god, okay, I'll let you cry, you can deserve it, you worked hard too.

BEN WATERWORTH: Thanks mum, thanks mum. The one thing I, I remember speaking to Brendan about this too, the one thing I have a weird like about your sport, is I just love that moment when you finish and you know, the whole thank you, thank you, thank you. And then you sit down in what, the green room or the little bench thing where it's kind of focused on you, you've got the flowers, you've got the mascots, and you're just kind of doing this awkward like way to get the camera and you're probably like, just fucking give me the results, I don't give a shit, I'm just like, what did I do? I mean, is that, is that awkward? Is that fun? I mean, I guess you've just competed, so there's adrenaline going, but overall, that whole moment just seems a mix of awkwardness and fun. I don't know how to describe watching it.

KAILANI CRAINE: I mean, it's different. If you skate well, then you can sit there for hours waving at the camera. It doesn't really matter. But if you don't do so well, you're kind of like, oh, God, get me out of here. I just want to go have a cry. But definitely, if you skate well, then, you know, especially with interviews and everything, I will talk everyone's ear off because I'll be so excited. And I don't know how much time I'm taking up because I could talk forever when I when I do well. And then actually, even if I do bad, I criticise myself a lot to the point where it's just like, okay, we know they have to, my coach is like, you don't have to say all those bad things about what you did. Just, you know, it can get better. And I'm like, yeah, I'm just so hard on myself, though. But I mean, I love to kiss and cry, but sometimes it's either it definitely is kiss or cry. Definitely high emotions or low emotions.

BEN WATERWORTH: Do you ever have sort of like your friends or your family saying like, oh, give me a subtle signal. Just like, I don't know, touch your nose or something. So I know that that's a signal to me when, you know, we're watching you on the screen or is that something that we could maybe do here today for you, Kailani? So like, hey, just like tap your shoulder and be like, hey, that's for my friends over and off the podium podcast that I skated for them. That's why I won the gold medal today.

KAILANI CRAINE: I don't really have that many things that I do. I kind of, if I skate well especially, the scores usually don't take as long to come up. But on the TV, they do go back and replay your skate. So sometimes you don't really get that much time to say anything to anyone, but I like saying hello to mum and dad and everyone like that. But usually I'm either talking to my coach about, yeah, that was awesome, that was good, or no, that was wrong, that was wrong. So there's really no in between, but I try to say hello to people if I can.

BEN WATERWORTH: Just remember, hello Ben, hello Off The Podium. We'll take that for you, you know, months time when you're competing. I've got a fun little questionnaire here, which I want to sort of close it out with, because it's sort of based on, I'll explain that to you in just a second, but the one thing I wanted to quickly ask, I mean, we just, on another podcast we do, it's sort of a TV and film one, we just reviewed Itonia, and obviously, you know, the sport is kind of, I guess, in that spotlight, was kind of the movie that's kind of going out there doing well. I mean, is that something that you find gets a lot more attention now that a movie like that's out? Do you get more people asking certain questions about the sport? Because I know it's obviously a different time, it's based on a certain story, you know, 20 or so years ago, but I mean, have you seen the movie? Is that kind of adding an extra element to the sport right now?

KAILANI CRAINE: Yeah, yeah, I did watch the movie. I mean, I love Margot Robbie. She's a strain, so I love that. It's so awesome, and she's amazing in anything that she's in. So I think that she really made it something, especially the rest of the cast really brought it to life as well. And it's so funny because, actually, my coaches were there when that whole drama happened. So it's nice to actually, obviously I wasn't around in that time, so it's nice to hear their opinions and then watch the movie. But I love the movie. I think that it's bringing even more kind of spotlights to figure skating, which is awesome. That's what I always try and get more people who love figure skating. I mean, that's the whole goal is to try and get more people in the sport. But yeah, I absolutely love the movie. It was great. I would have actually, we have one of our events coming up in Australia, but since I'm going to another competition on the weekend, I won't be able to attend. And it was like a screening of I, Tonya, and I really wanted to go, but I can't. I've already seen the movie anyway, and I loved it.

BEN WATERWORTH: I agree. It's a great movie. Now, I'm going to close this out, Kailani. Now, basically, one of our co-hosts on the show is Canadian, and on the Canadian Olympic website, they do this questionnaire with their athletes. It's called My Name Is, and they basically just have to write down answers. So this is a bit of a fun way to kind of, you know, do a few interesting questions here, get a little bit more, you know, known about you here as we lead up to the games. And obviously when you are standing on that podium with the gold medal, you can thank these questions for sort of really cycling you into that moment during the games. So what is your favourite Olympic moment? Now, this is something that you've watched perhaps growing up or that kind of, you know, you remember. I mean, do you have one, I guess, that you want to share with us today?

KAILANI CRAINE: Definitely figure skating wise. I think that Evan Lizaček's gold medal was awesome because I trained with him leading up to the 2010 Vancouver Games. So I saw how hard he worked and he won the gold, which probably no one thought that he would have because Evgeny Plushenko was competing as well and he was supposed to win gold. But Evan worked so hard for that. And actually he is one of the reasons of how I train these days because since I saw that at such a young age of how many times he ran his routine, that kind of set up actually my mindset till this day. But aside from him, there's one more Mao Asada's free program at the 2014 Olympic Games because she got silver in Vancouver, but everyone could, it was basically very competitive between her and Yoon Ah Kim, the Korean. And then she went to 2014, and she did not have a very good short program. So she did not skate so well. She was, I think she was like 15th or something after the short program, so out of medal contention. But she absolutely went into the free program, threw it down, did a flawless skate, and then she just burst into tears, and I burst into tears, and everyone around me burst into tears as well. So I mean, it was amazing for her to be able to put out a skate like that. And those are my answers. I'm sorry, that was long.

BEN WATERWORTH: No, no, it's fine. It's fine. We expect a very emotional sport. Clearly figure skating. We love it. If you could have any superpower, what would it be?

KAILANI CRAINE: Oh, this is interesting. So then I could skate forever.

BEN WATERWORTH: Good answer. I like that. You could be like the first, I don't know, 20-time Olympian or something like that. That would work. Now, this one here, I can't really ask you this. So on this question here, they've got, draw a picture of you and one of your teammates. Now, I know you're extremely social media active. Your Instagram and Twitter are very, very popular. I feel like if you've got the time, I mean, no, you're obviously busy. You've got an Olympics to prepare for here, Kailani, but by all means, if you feel the need to just draw a picture of yourself and Brendan or, you know, something like that, there's the option here for you to do that. So that's an optional question I'll put to you on...

KAILANI CRAINE: I'll do that.

BEN WATERWORTH: I like it. What is your least favourite food?

KAILANI CRAINE: I hate tomato.

BEN WATERWORTH: Ah, yes, I'm with you there. Absolutely.

KAILANI CRAINE: I will not eat it. I cannot. I hate the smell of it. I hate it, but I love tomato sauce.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yep.

KAILANI CRAINE: And I love tomato soup. So, I'm a really odd child. And I hate it because I love Italian food and I can't eat bruschetta or anything like that. No one understands. No one feels my pain.

BEN WATERWORTH: No, I do. I do. And I think the question I have to ask you, being in America for so long, I find whenever I go to America and say like there's a burger and I don't want tomato on it, I say, can I have that with no tomato? And they look at me funny. I'm like, oh, sorry, can I have no tomato on that? Because they don't know how we pronounce the damn word. Do you struggle with that when you kind of are there in America with the pronunciation of the word?

KAILANI CRAINE: Not really so much that, but like things like in Australia, we say tomato sauce, and in America, it's ketchup. So I go back to Australia, and I'm so used to asking for ketchup. Then I say ketchup, and they just look at me like, that's not Australian. I'm like, I'm sorry. I'm just used to it.

BEN WATERWORTH: Just like, you know, look, I'm an Olympian. I can say what I want. What, if you weren't an athlete, what would you be?

KAILANI CRAINE: Oh, you know, I couldn't imagine not being an athlete, and specifically, I couldn't imagine not being a figure skater, but, um, uh, I have no idea. I, oh, actually, you know what? I'd probably like to do something around either helping people, um, in any way, like, I don't know, like, oh, but no, do you know, actually, I've got one. I want to help dogs, because, um, I burst into tears the other day. I have a story to tell. I was at the ice rink, and there was a stray dog in between my sessions. I was outside, and it was, it was so skinny, it obviously hadn't eaten in a long time, and the fur was gone off it, so I ran back inside, and I got my food that I packed for the day, and I gave it to the dog. And then I had to go back inside to put my skates on for my session. And my coach asked me, you know, how I was doing and everything, and I just burst into tears before I got on the ice. And he was like, he was laughing at me, he was like, why are you crying? And I was just like, but the dog! The dog! And I was so distracted. And then I got back home to my mum, and she's like, why didn't you take it home with you? And I was like, I didn't know I was allowed to do that!

BEN WATERWORTH: That would help dogs. I like that, that works. Just avoid seeing any dogs before you go out to compete for the Olympics. Just some advice.

KAILANI CRAINE: At US National Championships, they had dogs in the, like, after you leave the Kiss and Cry, they had little puppies. And I think you should invest in puppies at every event.

BEN WATERWORTH: There you go, OK. Just make sure they don't throw them on the ice, like they do with the flowers, because that would be a bit awkward. Slide them on the ice! Puppies on skates. There you go. That wins the Olympics. I would watch that. What is your favourite vacation spot?

KAILANI CRAINE: I don't really... I will know this after the Olympics, because I will probably go on a vacation after, and I don't go on vacations, but I went to a competition in Spain one time, and then after Spain, after the competition, we took a few days in Barcelona, and that was absolutely magical. I loved it. It was definitely... It's just amazing. But after the Olympics, I want to go to places like Bora Bora and things like that, where they have no ice rinks, because it's unfair that international competitions can't be held at those places because there's no ice rinks, but it's okay. I will visit it when I eventually get my vacation.

BEN WATERWORTH: Beautiful, beautiful. Good answer. What is your guilty pleasure?

KAILANI CRAINE: Food.

BEN WATERWORTH: Is there a specific food that I dare ask an Olympic athlete what they like?

KAILANI CRAINE: I don't really discriminate. I mean, literally everything. I love pizza. I love Mexican food. I love burgers. I love milkshakes. It's completely the opposite of what a figure skater is supposed to like. I know. But I just love food. It's a definite passion of mine. And you know, actually, when you ask what if I wasn't an athlete, I should be a food critic. I think I'd be very good as long as they don't feed me tomatoes.

BEN WATERWORTH: Well, look, you could be a food critic who has dogs travelling with her and that would set social media alight. I feel that would work very well.

KAILANI CRAINE: Yeah, and the dogs could also have food as well.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yes.

KAILANI CRAINE: Everyone wins.

BEN WATERWORTH: Everyone wins. That is the story that you would have. Kailani, it has been an absolute pleasure having you here on the show today. We're really, really looking forward to seeing you compete during the games and seeing how you go. All of Australia would definitely be behind you, and we'll definitely get you back on the show post-vacation. We'll let you have a vacation after the games to see how you went and kind of talk to you about the experience. But big pleasure having you here on Off The Podium today.

KAILANI CRAINE: Thank you so much. It's been fun.

BEN WATERWORTH: A big thank you to Kailani there, great chat. And again, we're very much looking forward to seeing how she will compete a few weeks away now from the games. If you missed our other interview that we've put up recently, so is our Andy Jung speed skater as well, and I do believe that Colin may have an interview or two lined up with some Canadians heading into the game as well, so stay tuned to our social media. But we will be doing a full preview of the games in the coming weeks. Jared, myself, Colin, all sitting down to talk about it, and of course daily recaps of the games, similar to what we did during Rio. If you do remember when we were born as a podcast, we will be continuing on here throughout Pyeongchang. And as I keep saying throughout all these interviews, you've heard me repeat myself a thousand times, I enjoy the Winter Olympics more than the Summer Olympics, so I'm very much looking forward to putting that to podcasting and talking up what will be a great games, no doubt. Very much looking forward to it, and very much looking forward to you listening to us throughout the games. Follow us on Facebook. We are there, Off The Podium. We'll be tweeting during the games. Hashtag Off The Podium. You can find our personal accounts through Twitter. We don't have a show Twitter, but we will, of course, have our personal ones there. You can follow us along. And best way to listen to these, of course, subscribe to us on iTunes. While you're there, please do leave us some feedback. We'd appreciate to hear what you think of the show. And of course, you can find us on Stitcher as well, for Android users, non-Apple users. There are best way to listen to those episodes. Thanks again to Kailani. Thanks again to everybody who's listened in. As we get closer and closer to the Pyeongchang 2018 Winter Games. My name is Ben. Thank you for listening, and we'll speak to you next time.