Lisa Sthalekar Interview
A special interview coming your way today as we sit down with legendary Australian cricketer Lisa Sthalekar to talk about her incredible broadcasting career and recent experiences as part of the Channel Seven coverage of the Tokyo Olympics! We find out from Lisa how she got started into broadcasting and how quickly she became addicted to it when she did. We also learn about her unique experiences of being thrown into the deep end among some iconic Australian broadcasters and just what those experiences were like. We also find out about he addiction of the Olympics during Tokyo and what the chances will be that we will see her on our screens once again come the Beijing Olympics. It's one fun chat that you can't miss!
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
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BEN WATERWORTH: It is Off The Podium, an Olympics podcast coming to you today for another Athlete Interview. And today's a bit of a unique one when I say an Athlete Interview, because we're speaking to an athlete from a non-Olympic sport, which is cricket. And the athlete we're speaking to today is Lisa Sthalekar. Now Lisa, many people would know in Australia as one of the legends of the sport of cricket, a member of the Cricket Hall of Fame, former captain for Australia, just an utter utter legend when you speak about cricket in this country. But during the Tokyo Olympics, she got to experience a broadcasting role as part of the Channel Seven coverage, where she joined Andrew Gaze and Andrew Ma as part of the nightly rap program Shinya, which as you would have heard throughout our coverage when we were talking about a daily coverage, at first we were a bit unsure about, like, okay, not too sure what this show is. But then when we got watching it, we fell in love with it. Jarrod and I would talk about this probably every single day about sort of our highlights from Shinya the night before. So much fun to watch. And Lisa was such a great part of the coverage. And Lisa goes into detail about what it was like working on an Olympics coverage, working with Andrew Gage, Andy Ma. Great stories about connecting with a certain Bruce McEvaney. You know that is going to be raised in this conversation. And although obviously this conversation isn't really about cricket, there are a few cricket questions, and particularly when it comes to the possibility of cricket becoming an Olympic sport, maybe as early as 2028. It is very much on the cusp of being included at the Los Angeles 2028 Olympics. So Lisa gives her take on how she thinks it could work and kind of whether or not it should be an Olympic sport or not. So great take on that. You will hear in this interview. So without further ado, here is our chat with on the Olympic side of things, Olympic broadcaster, but on the sporting side of things, one of the greatest Australian cricket players of all time, not talking about cricket, Lisa Sthalekar.
BEN WATERWORTH: Such a unique interview for you today, because our next guest on the show could be interviewed about her esteemed career, about so many different things. One of the legends of the sport of cricket in Australia, but we're not here to talk to her about cricket. We might ask her one or two questions about cricket. We're here to talk to her about the Olympics, because during the Tokyo coverage on Channel Seven, she was one of the stars, I feel, of their coverage, particularly when it came to a little program called Shinya, which was a lot of fun being able to watch every single night, a nice take of the day's events that happened every day during Tokyo. And I'm here to learn more about her experiences during the Olympics, her broadcasting career, and just everything else that we can find time to talk about today. It's a pleasure to welcome to the show Lisa Sthalekar. First of all, Lisa, welcome to Off The Podium. It's a pleasure to speak with you today.
LISA STHALEKAR: Thanks very much for having me.
BEN WATERWORTH: It's probably not something you often get asked to do in an interview, not about cricket.
LISA STHALEKAR: This will be quite refreshing.
BEN WATERWORTH: Kind of a little bit off the cusp when it comes to the questions. But was this something sort of once you hang up the bat, hang up the gloves, hang up the bowl that you wanted to get into sort of broadcasting? Was this something that had always been a goal of yours? Or was it kind of something that was, I guess, I don't know, offered to you sort of throughout your career? Is this could be a path you could take after your career?
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah, I actually got an opportunity in 2010. It was actually up here in Brisbane where I am at the moment. And it was the ACA All Stars taking on the Australian team. And if you can cast your mind back all the way back to 2010, that was the game where Tim Payne actually broke his finger. And then he disappeared off the face of the earth.
BEN WATERWORTH: If it was day in Tasmanian history, Lisa, we remember it well.
LISA STHALEKAR: So I actually got an opportunity, and Elise Perry, to commentate five overs each, each of us had. So I sat in between Mark Nicholas and Tony Gregg. And the five overs went like that. And I got out of the box and went, so what do I need to do to do this after I play cricket? Like, this seems like a pretty cool job. So from 2010, I had my eyes set up on, you know, from that point of view, but there were no female broadcasters within the game. There were no females calling the game. It wasn't anything that we were used to seeing compared to what it is now. I remember anytime games were held at the SCG, because I had a pass that could get me in everywhere, I used to just hang around the Channel Nine commentary box like a bad smell and just listen to what they were doing, how it all worked, just kept reminding them, yeah, here if you need, guys, you know. And then when I retired in 2013, I had an opportunity to, I think, the next Australian summer to do some work with Channel Nine on the Australian women's side. So that was great, and back then female cricketers, we had full time jobs. I was working at Cricket New South Wales as I was playing at the same time. And when I finished playing and then had to do that job 12 months of the year instead of nine months of the year, I was like, okay, I need more of a challenge. So I left a year after I retired from Cricket New South Wales, had no work lined up, wanted to do broadcasting, didn't know how to get in, just thought if I am free, maybe there's a chance. And slowly but surely, I started to get more opportunities. ABC Grandstand gave me my first chance really to do regular cricket. And then it kind of took off from there.
BEN WATERWORTH: That's insane. I just I can't imagine what that's like sitting in between Mark Nicholas and Tony Gregg as your first kind of role. I mean, for our listeners who maybe are outside of Australia or don't too familiar with sort of broadcasting in this country, I mean, if you want to join any sort of commentary team at some point, you want to join the Channel Nine cricket commentary team, right? That's a pretty good way to start.
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah, I mean, they were household names in broadcasting around the world. I mean, it was Channel Nine that really reformed what broadcasters were and what the impact they can have on the coverage and the game itself, the popularity of the game. So they became rock stars in themselves, really. I mean, the 12th man probably helped when he came out with his albums and taking the mickey out of them all. But yeah, just and probably the most satisfying thing was when I did do it, I don't know how I'd hate to probably hear myself again. But whatever I said seemed to resonate with the guys, because later on when I left, they said, oh, like Lisa said, you know, so they gave me a bit like, okay, maybe I do, I could provide something, you know, I seem to be adding to the commentary, so which is good. So yeah, so that, I mean, I look back at that, and I actually got to commentate with Mark Nicholas again in the recent IPL in India. And I brought up that story and he remembered it. And we've done a few things over the years as well. So, you know, it's kind of nice to have started my journey in the best commentary box at the time and learned from some of the best.
BEN WATERWORTH: The one thing that I think would be interesting on a little bit of a tangent, but this kind of connects in with if we've got any listeners who listen to our sister show, we've got a lot of experience in one of our other shows of covering the TV show Survivor. And I believe Mark Nicholas hosted one of the seasons of the UK Survivor. So I mean, yeah, I think he might have done the second one. I can't remember. But I mean, that would be an interesting thing to say that, hey, I did this random podcast interview and the host remembers you as a host of Survivor. Oh, yeah, I'm definitely bringing that up.
LISA STHALEKAR: Don't worry. We're bringing that up. I'm going to say how many buttons were undone and how much, you know, you know, work in the gym, did you have to do and bronzing to kind of fit in?
BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, work on the biceps and kind of, you know, or if he's gone the probes work with the dimples and all that kind of stuff to really to fit in, which I mean, I can imagine then when you sort of undertaking this broadcasting sort of career, you're obviously brought in for the cricket expertise and everything you bring there. But I can never imagine that when Channel Seven ultimately get the rights to the cricket kind of go over there, that all of a sudden you might get a tap on the shoulder to join in on some Olympic coverage. I mean, kind of, you know, you've got the one side of the dream there for broadcasting with the Channel Nine commentary box, but then you think of the Olympics, Channel Seven, the Bruces, the Basils, like all of a sudden you're thrown into the deep end. I mean, how did the opportunity come to sort of get involved with the Tokyo coverage?
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah, so it was after the 2020 season. And they said to me, you know, we'd love to have you part of Tokyo Olympics. What you'll do is you'll be almost at the news desk and it'll be during the daytime. Jayan and Griggs will kind of throw to you and go, hey, Lise, what's happening around the grounds, basically? And I give, you know, throughout the coverage, you know, three, four times updates of where we are in medals or other countries or big things. And they said, oh, you used to a teleprompter. And I go, no, I'm just used to off the cuff, throw me in front of the camera, ask me a question, and off I go type thing. So before lockdown hit, you know, I went into Channel Seven in Melbourne, sat at the news desk there, kind of had my first opportunity like, OK, now let's go back and have a look. And it's like, which I'm going, like my head's moving as I'm reading. And like now you've got to there's an art to it and how they actually show the teleprompter, the font and the spacing and all of that's really important. So I downloaded teleprompter app on my phone, you know, in the hope, you know, during that the initial parts of the lockdown that I would, you know, be able to cover the Olympics. Obviously, the Olympics got postponed and I was still hopeful that I'd get an opportunity. And I got a call when I was in India because I literally was overseas from January of this year. And the boss, Lewis Martin, head of sport, rang me up and just said, so your role within the Olympics is going to be different. And I was like, OK, as in where are you putting me behind some screen where you just hear my voice or whatever it may be? And they said, well, actually, we've got an idea. We've got to change it up because everything's pandemic and people will be watching maybe a lot more. We need to change the flow. So we're going to do a late night show, and it's going to be you and Andy Ma. I'm like, oh, I love Andy, because obviously the first time I did cricket coverage in Australia regularly was with Channel Ten with the Big Bash. And Andy was our lead commentator. So I've known Andy ever since I kind of started in 2015 properly. So I was like, yeah, great. I take the mickey out of him regularly. He has a go at me. He takes forever in asking a question like we're going to have fun, you know. And then it got to the point where we come up getting closer and closer to the Olympics. Then all of a sudden, cases started to happen in Sydney. And I had only just got back from India after that whole rigmarole. And I was literally still living out of suitcases and staying at my family's place. I said to the bosses, I'm packed. I'm ready to go to Melbourne. Get me on a plane. Like, get me out of here before we all shut down. They're like, oh, we've still got six weeks. It'll be fine. It'll be fine. Then each LGA got shut down. And then by the time we got to, you know, two weeks out, they said, Lisa, actually, we can't get you down to Melbourne. But we think we've found an alternative. We think we're going to get Andrew Gaze in. That'll be good. And I was like, well, that makes sense. I mean, he has played in the Olympics flag bearer. I mean, he's got some some cred, street cred, so to speak. Yeah. And we're going to have you in the studio. It's going to be like the project, but sports version. I said, OK, well, I don't mind that show. So sure, I went in and had a look two days before we are a week before we were on air. And we did a lot of trial runs and it was great. And the funny thing is, I've never met Andrew Gaze. And first time I'm working with him. But because all three of us are pretty laid back and chilled out, it worked. I think we're quite happy to talk. I'm sure people when they first tuned in is going, is there any structure to this show or is it people just randomly talking about utter nonsense? There was a bit of an element of that. There was a structure. There was a producer telling us, right, move on, move on, move on. But we got on really well and I'm heading down to Melbourne. So I hope when Melbourne opens up, it'll be a good chance for us to get together.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think the thing that was great about it was that, you know, I like it when you have that sort of light dose at the end of a day, particularly when it's like in a time zone. So for Australians, you know, we're obviously one hour ahead on the Eastern States. So it's kind of, you know, it kind of fits in well. And we all remember Sydney, Roy and HG, kind of what that brought to the Olympics and kind of that experience. So it's kind of just like a nice unwind. And I think what really worked with it is that all three of you worked fantastically together. And also it was a case of you mix sort of the funny parts with the serious parts. I mean, we all remember what, you know, how Andrew was after the bronze medal for the Boomers and kind of all the other moments too. So it kind of ticked all the boxes really.
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah, I think there was an element of they weren't quite sure how it was going to look. And, you know, even for me, I'm big on research and everything. So I was like, well, what do I research? Like I am your average Australian who absolutely loves the Olympics every four years. I'll watch it all. But then to be honest, it disappears because my main sport is cricket and I'll just watch cricket. So I don't know the journey of these athletes. I don't know diamond leagues that are happening, you know, in Europe and things like that. So I wasn't quite sure how to prepare. So I did a lot of preparation, but nothing gets you quite prepared for really. This is what's just happened only an hour ago. So we need to show this and we need you to actually be able to, you know, comment on it. And, you know, I felt a little bit weird because I'm used to being the expert in cricket. I was no expert in any of these sports, but I guess I was there just to give an opinion of what probably the general public was thinking or feeling or what they saw. So, yeah, it was great. It was a lot of fun. It was kind of cool to say that you were part of an Olympic coverage because I never thought as a cricketer, I'd ever get the opportunity to be involved in the major sporting event of the globe.
BEN WATERWORTH: Which is fascinating. We spoke to Joanna Griggs a couple of months ago and kind of talked to her about sort of those experiences of broadcasting. She obviously was a swimmer and kind of was expecting that that was going to be a career. And if you told her that you would go to multiple Olympics, you would think as an athlete. But I can imagine it's addicting, though, like you talked about that initial broadcast moment. And all of a sudden you're thrust into this Olympic spotlight and all of a sudden you're doing your research. And I can imagine you're also like watching events differently. You're paying attention. You're trying to find stories. I mean, was that kind of how your days were spent? Just glued to the TV like it would be, but with a notepad and just constantly writing down things.
LISA STHALEKAR: Correct. You're absolutely right. Literally, I had my iPad going for the digital side of things. So if I wanted to go to a different channel and then I had the main channel on, and it was literally trying to watch the big events, how they happened. Or, you know, even as an athlete, you can see a former athlete. You can see if people are tense or how they react or things like you can comment on those things. So, yeah, I was doing that. And then I'd get into in Sydney, the Gravity Media. I'd go there and we had a green room where we had two TVs. So you had, you know, main channel seven and then seven mate, which was great. So I was, you know, and to be honest, in the evening, we had some of the best team events going on as well, plus individual events. So it was good. And then it was literally, guys, do we have a rundown? Just so I know roughly where we're going. So if I need to look up something, that would be great. I think down in Melbourne, they had a stats person who, if they needed to kind of ask what happened here or how long has it been since we won gold in this event, they could just be able to do it. But I was kind of all by my lonesome, but it was fun. It was great.
BEN WATERWORTH: What's it like? I know there was at least one. I can't remember if it was multiple times when you're crossing, sort of you come on air and then you're still sort of connected to some of the other commentators and you get an opportunity to talk to Bruce McEvaney. I mean, I don't know if you've sort of met him before or through any other Channel Seven things, but I mean, that during an Olympics, this is him. It's like if he's talking to you in the middle of a cricket match, like, you know, that's kind of when you want to speak to someone in their zone.
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah, he I did get interviewed the first year Channel Seven had the cricket. They used him. I think they interviewed certain people. He interviewed certain former cricketers during the lunch break. So I was one of those. And like he is just God from broadcasts and what he remembers. So when we had the up fronts were obviously from a sponsor, the sponsors or the corporate commercials come together and they introduce who the commentary team is. So this is before lockdown. So he kind of got up there and he's going through, you know, he did Ledecky and Titmuss, you know, and said, it is going to be and this is like a year and a bit out of it. This is going to be where all eyes will turn to, you know, and back in four years ago, this happened and he's just rattling it off. And I'm like, you're a freak. Like there is no way I am ever going to remember anything like that. And just his delivery, his tone, so personable that you feel like you're going on a journey with him. So, yeah, so when we went a couple of times when we we kind of came on air and the athletics was going and we got to kind of chat to them. I was like, oh, I think I need to ask him a question. But what question do I? I don't want to sound like an absolute idiot, you know? So, yeah, I mean, he's a legend. Joanna Griggs, she's amazing. She came out to my house. So when I thought I was originally going to work with her, she came to my house and helped me with teleprompter and helped me with the app and took me through a bit of training and rang me up before the Olympics saying, you know, we're so disappointed you're not down here in Melbourne, but good luck, can't wait to see stuff. So, I mean, it was a real family effort. And, you know, we're so happy to see everyone do so well, not only the athletes, but the amount of work, the broadcast, the planning, like it is a mammoth task. And it's something, you know, as a former athlete, you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. But I thought they did an incredible job in the coverage of the Olympics.
BEN WATERWORTH: Just one quick thing on Bruce. Can you put in a good word to get him to commentate cricket? Because when Channel Seven got the cricket, I'm like, wow, Bruce is going to commentate cricket. This is going to be amazing. But like, I think he would be great at calling cricket. When is this going to happen?
LISA STHALEKAR: Oh, look, everyone said it, all the cricketers, even I think Mitch Stark and Josh Hazelwood. It was quite funny. Everyone wanted to get selfies with Bruce when Channel Seven got the cricket. Like it was literally like your moment in the sun. I can put this on social media. I've got, you know, Bruce. And all the players said, no, please come and do commentary. And he said, guys, it's a sport that I know. OK, but it's not something that I feel like I could really be an expert in or be the lead caller like you have to do. You have to follow the game for such a long period of time. And cricket probably isn't his passion. I mean, we know he's racing. He loves his racing. And then you've got the AFL and then obviously the athletic. So where's the time? And also he's coming up to a point where he's probably going, I just want to ease back my commitments. I'm getting to the twilight years of my career. I just want to enjoy it. Hence why we don't see him on the AFL. But selfishly, we all trust me, all the players wanted him to commentate cricket, not just the general public.
BEN WATERWORTH: Game, Bruce, just one, like we want to hear it.
LISA STHALEKAR: I tried to get him on the women's game. I was like, I don't want to get the men's. Don't worry, just come to the women's cricket.
BEN WATERWORTH: Come to the real cricket, you know, screw the men. Who cares about them? Like, get on board that. Which, you know, what you're saying about the effort involved, Joe talked a lot about kind of that. And, you know, we're guilty of it here on the show. I'm not going to sit here and pretend we don't do it, but like it's a national sport almost bashing the Olympic coverage, isn't it, no matter who's got the broadcast? I mean, do you then kind of over the years when maybe you're watching the Olympics and like, oh, stop showing the swimming, like we're sick of this, we're sick of that, that you leave now going, okay, well, I can understand why this is done a bit better. And it's kind of, it's that perspective now that people sometimes maybe need to have when it comes to broadcasting an Olympics. It's not as easy as people probably think it is.
LISA STHALEKAR: I guess I'm fortunate now to actually ask the bosses questions of so why are we sticking this on Seven Mate? Why is this not going to the main channel? And there are actual reasons to it. But for the general public, as I was for a long period of time as well, it just was a no-brainer. But there are algorithms, there's metrics, there's trying to capture a certain audience at a certain time, all of that type of stuff. So there are people well above my pay grade that come up with the schedule and how it works. So, yeah, you understand a little bit more the reasons behind some of the decisions. But you don't always have to agree with them, and that's okay as well.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, I know you tweeted out just after the Olympics your favourite moments, which I'll ask you now kind of go over those. But were there other ones as well that you maybe couldn't confine to a tweet, sort of standouts that you, you know, personally maybe that you got a different perspective because you were sort of being able to see it from a different way of broadcasting?
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah, I think for me, I felt, even for our short show, when we spoke about it in production meeting, we were like, great, our show can be about highlighting other athletes from other countries, like Eric the Eel, like there's going to be someone from some random country that does an amazing thing. We should be, we should be covering that as well, not just Australia. But the problem was, which isn't a bad problem, Australia was blitzing it in the Olympics. So all of our coverage tended to do the highlights. I mean, whilst everyone was still in lockdown, it was very hard to keep a track of everything and watch every event an Australian was meddling in. So people probably came to Xinyar to go, what's my quick highlights package? This is it, great, done. But it did mean that we didn't necessarily get to cover other athletes and other stories. We tried to.
BEN WATERWORTH: Which we recently, we talked to a lot of people on the show as well, kind of get them from all different sports, and we recently had Simon Leung on, and we talked about how kind of, you know, you had them on him and Gronya kind of with the whole bit, which he changes the racket halfway through the point, kind of highlights that. And even he was sort of talking about, like, I get the message, like, hey, you're going to be interviewed on Channel Seven tonight. It's all bullshit, no, I'm not. And then it's kind of, but it's those moments, though, where it kind of can highlight certain different sports, though, where generally in Australia, we're not going to be transfixed to the badminton, but one little moment can all of a sudden thrust that into the spotlight and give that a bit of extra coverage.
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah. And I've always been a big fan of Olympics highlighting the athletes or the sports that don't have the platform regularly. That's what I think the Olympics is for, to be honest.
BEN WATERWORTH: Absolutely, yeah.
LISA STHALEKAR: I think in one of our practice runs of Shinya, Gaze was different, because I said, I don't know if tennis should be in. I don't know if golf should be in. Because are those athletes going, well, this year it's all about the Olympics? No, it's the majors. There's the masters. There's the grand slams. There's other things at play. It's not just the Olympics. Whereas for a track and field athlete, it's all about the Olympics. Yes, there's other leagues and tournaments and meets, should I say, leading up to it. But the Olympics is the pinnacle. So that's where I sit on that. But now I've forgotten what you were asking.
BEN WATERWORTH: It's fine. We have nothing. It happens. But on that topic, actually, maybe this is the one cricket question I will ask you. Obviously, cricket seems to be on the cusp of maybe being included as early as LA 2028. I'm sure Australia, Brisbane will probably give it a bit of a push. Do you see that could be a bit of an issue with cricket being at an Olympics that maybe it's not going to be treated as seriously, this isn't a World Cup, this isn't test or something like that. Or do you think that cricket is a sport which maybe would work very well in an Olympics and people would treat it as the pinnacle now of cricket?
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah, so the women's T20 competition will be in the Commonwealth Games next year in Birmingham. Now, I think that's a good thing. Commonwealth Games seems to be a natural fit given that it's normally Commonwealth countries that are playing it, but we're seeing around the world that cricket is growing in South America and, you know, some random places you never thought people were playing cricket. I still feel like the women's game being on that platform will elevate it even more. So I can understand that. From an Olympics point of view, I know the Army, I sit on the ICC Women's Committee, so I've seen the discussions the boards have had around it. And it is about growing the game. And if you take Andrew Gaze's opinion, the best athlete should be allowed to participate in the Olympics. The only issue is that cricket, you know, trying to have... Obviously, they're going down the gender path. So a sport that's available to both. But then what each team brings 15 players each plus management, I think they've started to cut off the amount of athletes that are taking part in the Olympics as well, because you can't just keep going and going. Also, can you fit the cricket T20 games, all of them in that two-week period? I mean, we see football has started earlier than the opening ceremony. So there's a lot of things. And in order for... And then there was discussions about T10, because it's quicker, shorter, faster. But then you actually have to have a World Championship or a World Cup in that format. Cricket doesn't need another format. We've got three and the calendar is jam-packed and we're struggling to get those three in. So you can see there's a lot at play. But I can see how it can elevate the women's game.
BEN WATERWORTH: It's fascinating, particularly with the Commonwealth Games, because I remember when cricket was in Kuala Lumpur at the 98 Commonwealth Games, and it does seem like a natural fit of any major international sporting tournament. The Commonwealth Games should have the cricket. They've got netball. Rugby sevens is sort of more suited maybe to that. But I saw the Commonwealth Games Federation at the time of recording this this week, put a sort of a flashback to 98 when Australia got silver. So it'll be interesting to see just what that does next year in Birmingham, because particularly as you're saying, the women's side of things to kind of grow, because I mean, gosh, we saw it last year with the World 2020 in Australia, right? Like with how that went off. So it's growing and it's kind of, you know, you take these steps where you can to continue growing it.
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So let's see, hopefully, hopefully cricket finds at least a place within the Commonwealth Games. And I'll let people, the boards and ICC, they can deal with the Olympics and that side.
BEN WATERWORTH: Which I have to ask, I'm sure you've been asked this plenty of times, and I know you guys sort of joked a lot about it during Xinyar about Beijing. Now, as we like to call it right here on Off The Podium, the real Olympics, the Winter Olympics, of course. But is this, I mean, can you give us an exclusive? Is it being talked about? If not, is it something you would like to be involved? Because the Winter Olympics are just even more unique in the fact that these are sports that Australians never see. So I can imagine you can get even more unique coverage of it from your perspective.
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah, it has been discussed. I actually think we probably left our best episode as the last one. Obviously, Gazy and Tears, Andy and myself, you know, in tears as well about the bronze medal. And there was so much passion and emotion in that final episode that we probably left the public wanting a bit more, which is a great thing. And so hopefully people within the Channel Seven offices, they have mentioned it could be an opportunity to have it in the Winter Olympics. I hope they do. I'll give you the tip. I'll learn a lot about the Winter Olympic Games if I have to. I mean, we've got the women's ashes going on at the same time. So my boss in cricket is like, hang on, hang on, we need it for the women's ashes. No, Jonesy, I've been able to do Shinya from anywhere. Correct? Have I not shown you it works? So I can be anywhere. And he's like, good point.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah. I don't mean to get crickets during the day, Olympics at night, like, you know, just a bit of catch up in between.
LISA STHALEKAR: And we come on with Shinya anyway, like 10.30, 11.30 at night. Crickets well done and dusted by then.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, and what does it start to like 11 in the morning anyway, so you still get a bit of a chance for a bit of a sleep in. So, you know, it kind of it kind of works that way.
LISA STHALEKAR: I like me thinking, can you be my manager and speak to the robots?
BEN WATERWORTH: Sure, absolutely. I have a lot of influence in the world. So, you know, I'll kind of push through with that one as well, which I mean, you talk about sort of being hooked to the screen sort of growing up always with the Olympics was were the winters sort of one that you kind of also paid attention? Was it more of a sort of a casual like, oh, Australia is going to do well. Let's watch a medal win or something on those.
LISA STHALEKAR: No, I think, you know, if I was to think back when I shared houses with other other cricketers, other athletes, others that really found sport fascinating, we literally had it on the whole time. So, yeah, I've always gotten in gross. And I think from a cultural point of view, you know, Australians will get up at ridiculous times to watch football. I remember when the men's World Cup football was taking place. I don't even know where it was, to be honest, but I was working at Cricket New South Wales, and some games would start at like 4am, and we'd go into the office together, and there'd be a group of us. And I think when they were progressing and going well, and they got to the next stage, we like had champagne breakfast on the barbecues, you know, like things like that. So I've always been around people that are just as passionate about Australia and sports. So I've been getting up watching Tour de France when we've had an opportunity or Grand Slam.
BEN WATERWORTH: There's something about that, isn't it? That it's kind of unique, and particularly for like an event like an Olympics or a World Cup where the whole country does get behind you. I mean, it's not to take away from every year when you're on tour, playing major tournaments and all that sort of stuff, but there's just something extra about it. I mean, yeah, the Winter Olympics are just incredible, amazing athletes. We've had several on the show, and it's always interesting learning their journey. And again, it's just so foreign, because we're not seeing curling, we're not seeing ice hockey, we're not seeing moguls all the time, but we've got some great athletes in some of these sports, which this is their time to shine, and then all of a sudden, build on the momentum of Tokyo and kind of take it now to Beijing.
LISA STHALEKAR: Oh, yeah, I mean, I think Channel Seven were very happy with the fact that firstly, this one was successful, and the next Olympic Games are the winters in six months after a big summer of cricket, which includes the Ashes. So they're like, you beauty.
BEN WATERWORTH: Which I love that. I mean, great sort of plug there, like the way you worked that in. But also, I mean, the advertising campaign that they were sort of doing without smoke on the water and kind of this is what we've got pumped up, because gosh, I mean, I can't imagine the sports department at Channel Seven are getting much of a break anytime soon, are they?
LISA STHALEKAR: No, they're literally going from different sports to the next one. And I mean, it's great in a sense. So our producer, I had worked with on the Big Bash. So, you know, there were familiar voices in my ear, even though I couldn't see people. And that actually is a big thing. And, you know, we have like our producers are some of the best in the business. And they're laid back, they're fun, they're relaxed, they giggle as well. They pull you up actually when you need to focus on the thing, or they'll like throw you one line of banters in your ear and they're trying not to giggle. You know, it's just a fun environment to be part of. And when I left cricket, you know, I didn't think I'd miss the team aspect as much as I did. But as soon as I came into broadcasting and working for similar organisations, as in, you know, Channel Seven or Sunset and Vine for ICC events, they became my teammates, my family again on the road.
BEN WATERWORTH: Which I can imagine, too, the unique aspect of sort of your role is that, I guess, you're brought on because you're a former cricketer, you know, legend of the sport, you're bringing that expertise, and so therefore anything that comes along with it is kind of, you know, a bonus. But I can imagine then, say, like, hypothetically, Channel Nine gets a cricket again in five years, that they want you to sort of switch focus over there, that, I mean, maybe you're at a position where you're kind of thinking, well, hang on a minute, I've made some headway in Channel Seven. I like the Olympics more. I'm more of an Olympics commentator all of a sudden than I am a cricket. So, no, Channel Nine, I'm going to stay on board with this. Like, I can imagine that's a unique aspect of your sort of your role at the station.
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah. And I mean, last year, I was able to cover the Men's Ashes with Channel Nine. So doing late nights with Todd Woodbridge as our host, which was great because I, like, picked his brain. Like, I was a massive fan of his watching, because tennis was my first love, actually. I wanted to win Wimbledon when I was really young. We were talking shop about turf. And, you know, Wimbledon, like what Nuffy talks about turf pictures and then turf courts and, you know, how it deteriorates over the Wimbledon and all of that type of stuff. It was great. It was fascinating. But, yeah, I mean, I've got to be realistic in the TV world, broadcasting world. I don't know how long my lifespan is. Not necessarily looking over my shoulder, but just focusing on doing as good a job as I possibly can. The great thing is cricket is played in so many different countries. And apart from Christmas Day, I think there's normally a cricket match taking place. So if things don't necessarily continue on, which we kind of saw a little bit when Channel Nine lost the rights, we didn't see that team again, really. I mean, Ian Healy's kind of lost. Obviously Michael Slater's been with Channel Seven. Shane Warne's gone to Fox. So sometimes a channel wants a fresh start. A new director comes in, a new executive goes, this is our new road. So I never know how long I've got in this career. So yeah, hopefully Channel Seven gets an opportunity, the next meteorites deal to secure it again, because I reckon they've built some nice momentum around it. And they've learned a lot about how to cover cricket, because they came in with a very AFL mindset, because that's their bread and butter. But the games are completely different.
BEN WATERWORTH: Which I have to say, I've been living out of the country for several years, I've only returned this year, and I came back for Christmas a year or two ago. And probably the weirdest thing for me that summer was going, holy shit, cricket's on Channel Seven and tennis is on Channel Nine. This is weird. Like I don't know what I'm witnessing. It was like back in London when Channel Nine had the Olympics and Vancouver, and then I think what Channel Ten had the Sochi Olympics. So it's kind of, it's odd, like it's great to see sort of, you know, new networks having a go, but it's just, you get so used to it. It's a generational thing, isn't it?
LISA STHALEKAR: It really is. And I think Fox and Channel Nine and Channel Seven, should I say after that first year, it was more like re-educating everyone where to go. You know, and even when you, with so many radio, radio coverages of the cricket, I think there's like five, five different ones. It's like everyone's used to just putting on ABC grandstand. Everyone just normally goes there, but you know, I'm doing stuff with SEN and they've got a great commentary crew as well. So trying to navigate that, this world of multiple options, geez, sometimes you don't want an option, you just want to know where to go and that's it.
BEN WATERWORTH: Exactly, kind of do that. Which I mean, on that, like sort of with your, now you've whet the appetite for this broadcast career, I mean, do you look at things like, hey, I might start a podcast, or I might start sort of like an online channel or something along those lines, where you can kind of, I guess, develop that passion that you've got and find sort of your audience that you've already got on sort of social media.
LISA STHALEKAR: To be honest, I know how much work goes into a podcast.
BEN WATERWORTH: Well, I mean, you can join this one. It's not that hard.
LISA STHALEKAR: You know, the research.
BEN WATERWORTH: The professional ones, Lisa, the professional ones.
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah, all of that type of stuff. And I guess my passion is still about growing the game. So I sit on a couple of different boards within players associations, making sure that, you know, female players get more opportunities, more remuneration. So I'm involved in that aspect. And because I used to work at Cricket New South Wales, still heavily involved in coaching, but doing it through now a new platform, which is Slow Coach, which is digital coaching, which is great for me because I travel around the world. So it doesn't matter where I am, in what hotel, I can actually give a player a review, feedback, technical advice, all that type of thing. So, you know, those things, I'm passionate about. I wouldn't say I'm passionate about podcasts or online stuff. You know, I do a lot of stuff like digital stuff on Instagram about reviews and previews of matches coming up, simply because my fan base, to be honest, comes a lot from India. And they love cricket, and they love hearing different viewpoints as well, which I'm hopefully providing. So, yeah, that's where I spend my time on.
BEN WATERWORTH: Now, Lisa, we always close out our guests, for the most part, with a series of kind of fun, so to get to know you, they're very Olympic-centric, but that's the fun of this one, kind of, that you need to do it just quickly before I do. I'll lie. I'll say I'll ask one quick cricket question, which is kind of a two-parter. As a Tasmanian, is Tim Payne going to be ready? And also, Hurricanes, how are they looking in both the men's and the women's this season?
LISA STHALEKAR: Tim Payne, I think he's cutting it fine, but he's the type of guy and the medical staff will do everything they can. So I guess this type of injury came at the wrong time for them, but I think they've addressed it as quickly as they can as well. As for the Hobart Hurricanes, I haven't seen the list from a men's perspective, but I've seen the women's list, because obviously the WBBL starts I think 14th of October or something. So they're pretty much sewn up, and they've got some big players that have moved, people that you thought would never move from their club. So they've recruited well because they had to. They may be one to look out for, but I don't know how loved they are within the competition as well.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, well, the thing is, I'll say, and this is maybe more so from the men's perspective, at least when it comes to all these commentators saying, oh, the drought's in the BBL, look at the Melbourne stars, they get so close and they're like, hello, Hobart, we exist. We've sadly lost a couple of finals, but we're close, we're nearly there. We'll bring a trophy home one day on the men and the women. Come on.
LISA STHALEKAR: I mean, to be honest, you've produced some pretty good cricketers down there. I mean, nothing quite competes. Even though Blunston is a small ground, but come BBL time, it is packed to the brim. Like, you guys love your cricket, you love your friend, your club, and that's great to see. And guess what? First 20 games of WBBL, all happening in Tassie.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, so look at that. Look at the love for the sport down here. It gets rewarded. And I mean, look, a lot of it comes down to, obviously, we're a bit starved for kind of national representation in the leagues, but that's sort of the main one. And obviously, you know, on sort of the domestic side of things in both the shield in the one days. But we're obviously about to see the jack-jumpers enter the MBL. And as people keep pushing for an AFL team. So it's happening, Lisa, you know, like kind of...
LISA STHALEKAR: People away keep coming, smelling the roses.
BEN WATERWORTH: Exactly. It's taken a while, but you know, it'll happen. Now, this questionnaire, it was given to Canadian athletes ahead of Rio and Pyeongchang, sort of a get to know you style question. And now obviously we always like to try and do a questionnaire based on the sport that we're kind of talking about, kind of difficult with cricket, given it's not an Olympic sport. But I've chosen an athlete to answer these questions from field hockey, because I kind of thought, well, it's a bat and it's a stick. They're both kind of... You hit a ball. I try and connect it in some way. So there you go. So all right, I'm going to start off by asking you, Lisa, what is your favourite ever Olympic moment?
LISA STHALEKAR: Kieran Perkins in Atlanta, Lane 8.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yes, I love it when people answer that one, because that is just an iconic moment. I saw a poll during Tokyo with, what is the greatest ever swimming moment in Australia? They put Ariane Titmuss up and kind of all this sort of stuff. Kieran Perkins was on that, and he was voted way too low.
LISA STHALEKAR: Well, it's probably because every one of our ilk aren't actually using Twitter and playing part of that game. That's the issue.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, very true, but such an iconic moment. If you could choose any Olympic host city, where would it be?
LISA STHALEKAR: Olympic host city? Tuscany.
BEN WATERWORTH: Oh, that's a nice one. I like that. I don't think anyone would complain about going to the Tuscany Olympics. Beautiful. I like that. In your spare time, what do you most like to do?
LISA STHALEKAR: Cook.
BEN WATERWORTH: Cook. All right. What's the speciality? What's kind of, you know, your go-to?
LISA STHALEKAR: Look, when I was playing as an athlete, Mexican, because it was bloody quick and it tasted pretty good. And then as we've been in lockdown, I've had more time to kind of cook and experiment a little bit more with Indian cuisine, because it takes a little bit longer.
BEN WATERWORTH: A little bit extra time, yeah. I mean, the possibility if the Channel Seven execs are listening that you could, you know, switch over to like some sort of My Kitchen rules, like get a bit of a cooking gig or something like that.
LISA STHALEKAR: No, no, no, I don't know about that, but I reckon like a bit of a documentary of travel around India and try different things.
BEN WATERWORTH: Hey.
LISA STHALEKAR: You see, I'm just thinking.
BEN WATERWORTH: Like again, very influential this show. I'm sure Channel Seven is tuning all the time now that we've had a couple of personalities on the show. We're going to keep an eye on this show all of a sudden. The weirdest instruction a coach ever gave you?
LISA STHALEKAR: Weirdest instruction? No, sorry.
BEN WATERWORTH: Can't think of it?
LISA STHALEKAR: Can't think of anything.
BEN WATERWORTH: I mean, a random cricket question that maybe you can help me. Is there a purpose of a coach in cricket when the captain seems so influential? You obviously captain the country. Do you have to kind of listen to your coach more, or do you get more power over the coach?
LISA STHALEKAR: It's funny, you speak to a lot of other athletes from other sports, and they'll say the coach runs the play, basketball, league, union, to a certain degree. Yet, cricket, the coach is there, but yet, as soon as you cross the line, it's up to one person, really. And the coach never has a chance. So there's been always discussions, should the coach have more of a role on the field, but the purists say, hell no, that person can just stay back. So what was the question again?
BEN WATERWORTH: I mean, do you just, I don't know, the question is, what's the point of a coach in cricket, I guess?
LISA STHALEKAR: There is a point, I think at the elite level tends to be more player management, emotions, dealing with egos, non-selection, working with a team. In junior stuff, this is where I think the best coaches should be paid an absolute mozza to go back and coach your young stars, because if you get everything right there, it's easy at the top. We're not fixing techniques at the top. They've been home for the last 15, 20 years, so we've got no chance of changing a lot of things there. All the bad habits are reinforced regularly. No, there is still an important role in a coach.
BEN WATERWORTH: It's such a fascinating sport that as an AFL fan, who's the first person to go when the club sucks? It's the coach.
LISA STHALEKAR: The coach, yeah.
BEN WATERWORTH: Cricket is generally the captain.
LISA STHALEKAR: I don't reckon you'd be a head coach in this day and age because you literally... And you can't be a head coach of a professional team for more than three or four years. Then you've got to move state, country, you name it, pass.
BEN WATERWORTH: Related to cricket, what's the famous saying? The two most prestigious jobs in Australia are the prime minister and the captain of Australian cricket team.
LISA STHALEKAR: That's what us cricketers say, yep.
BEN WATERWORTH: Well, you've ticked it off. You're halfway there. You'll be prime minister in a few years, right? I think based on the last 10 years, everyone gets a turn, right? So eventually it will come around. Your favourite workout is?
LISA STHALEKAR: I don't mind actually going and lifting a bit of weights. It only came in a little bit later in my playing career. There's never a runner hated it, hated running. I mean, I still run now and I curse myself every time I have to do it. But it's the after feeling I like. So I put myself through pain for that. But yeah, I could do a weight session and enjoy it.
BEN WATERWORTH: Nice. If you could have lunch with any one person, who would it be?
LISA STHALEKAR: I think I used to say the Queen a lot when this was asked when I was a player. I'm a big Royal fan, to be honest. I do like the Royal. I mean, she's been around the traps for a while. She's seen a lot of things. I'd love to actually just have a chat to her about things.
BEN WATERWORTH: She would be a fascinating person if you could just get her to be honest. I'm not saying that she would be, but it's like she's lived such a structured life where like, be this way, this is how you need to be. That if you could just sit in a room and she just sits down and says, hey, fuck it, what a day. Like, just get it open up. That would be incredible.
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah, I mean, the people that she's met, the places that she's gone through, the wars that she's had to endure. Yeah, just a fascinating life that, you know, you're right. We have no idea about her as a person. We know her as the monarch and the face that she puts on, but boy, I'm sure there's an interesting person behind that.
BEN WATERWORTH: I always say that the biggest honour you could get in life is if your face was on money. And, I mean, her face is probably on more money on this planet than any other person. So, hey, you know, hold that into high regard. As a kid, who was your favourite sports team?
LISA STHALEKAR: I remember having a little bomber's jacket of the West Tigers.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yep.
LISA STHALEKAR: Or Balmain at that time. So, I loved League when I was growing up. I like collected football cards. That's it, really. I didn't really follow, like, other sports, so I'd have to say probably Tigers.
BEN WATERWORTH: Does anybody try and entice you sort of to be a Swans or a Giant supporter if it comes in the AFL side of things, or do you just...
LISA STHALEKAR: I'm a typical Sydney side. I jump on the Swans bandwagon around September, if they're good. If not, whatever.
BEN WATERWORTH: The Giants, who cares, right?
LISA STHALEKAR: Well, a few of my mates actually are big Giants fans, but I don't really follow AFL, and I don't follow League at all anymore, so...
BEN WATERWORTH: I'm just glad to see the Giants actually have fans. I didn't realise that was a thing.
LISA STHALEKAR: They do, actually. Yep, they do.
BEN WATERWORTH: As a Tasmanian, I'm not bitter that they got the 18th licence. What am I talking about? Your favourite sports movie is...
LISA STHALEKAR: There are so many. I like Kevin Costner, the baseball one, clearly make it-
BEN WATERWORTH: Oh, Field of Dreams? Field of Dreams?
LISA STHALEKAR: No, I don't think it was Field of Dreams. He was a pitcher, and he had a bad shoulder, and he goes through his career. And there's a nice little love story there. There's that one, and then Denzel Washington, basketball coach. Wasn't it basketball?
BEN WATERWORTH: Oh, I'm thinking, remember the Titans? That wasn't basketball, that was football. Samuel Jackson was a basketball coach, Coach Carter.
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah, coach, those ones, I like those types, yeah.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, I was thinking, I mean, I always like to kind of relate this to, if there's any sports movies based on, you know, the athlete we've got on. I mean, Million Dollar Arm is kind of a cricket movie. It starts off as a cricket movie, then turns into a baseball movie. So, I mean, are there other cricket movies? Like, I'm just trying to think. I mean, you just coach Brett Lee and put him in Bollywood movies. Does that count as a cricket movie?
LISA STHALEKAR: Well, what's his film? An India. There was no real cricket in there.
BEN WATERWORTH: Wasn't there a Sachin Tendulkar documentary, or have they ever done like an action movie?
LISA STHALEKAR: So there's a number of bio, in India, they call them biopics. So there's the Sachin, and there's also a Dhoni one. I like a bit of the drama, the historical element, if it's based on true life. So yeah, I think the Americans do it quite well.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, no, I definitely agree with that. If you could live anywhere in the world, where would it be?
LISA STHALEKAR: I think Sydney has always been my home, and I do like it. But if I had a chance, I'd go to South France or around there, the borders of Italy and down, I think that would be pretty cool.
BEN WATERWORTH: I'm seeing a trend here with like Tuscany and the South of France.
LISA STHALEKAR: I haven't been to Europe in a very long time, and I'm itching.
BEN WATERWORTH: We're all just, let us out, let us out already.
LISA STHALEKAR: Itching just to get another state.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, well, exactly. That would be nice too, wouldn't it? When you were little, what was something you always thought?
LISA STHALEKAR: Thought or thought?
BEN WATERWORTH: Thought.
LISA STHALEKAR: Thought. I was gonna be the best at whatever I decided. That was-
BEN WATERWORTH: And you achieved it. Look at that.
LISA STHALEKAR: I was pretty driven when I was young.
BEN WATERWORTH: Simple dream, and it worked out well. I always liked this one, because either you've got one or you don't. Your favourite joke to tell is?
LISA STHALEKAR: I can't even remember how it goes, to be honest. But when I was younger, I always said something. There was a pub on the- I was like, there's no point. But it's something about the queen's legs and something like that.
BEN WATERWORTH: I, that sounds funny. So-
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah, hilarious. Yeah, I'm really good at telling jokes, not-
BEN WATERWORTH: Yes, I know. Tell them more on Chinya, please. I like this one here. So the athlete, Philip Wright is his name, Canadian field hockey player. His favourite joke is, why does Snoop Dogg carry an umbrella? Fodrizzle. That, yep, yep. That reaction is the exact reaction when people listen to this show. So good job. Your favourite sandwich is?
LISA STHALEKAR: Salad sandwich, cheese, avocado, beetroot.
BEN WATERWORTH: Nice. Very Australian with the beetroot there, kind of got to add that.
LISA STHALEKAR: Just adds a sweet element to it, I think, which is always nice. It's got a bit of a salt tooth.
BEN WATERWORTH: If you could have any superpower, Lisa, what would it be?
LISA STHALEKAR: Time travel.
BEN WATERWORTH: Oh, yes. Nice. And now you're more of a go back in time or go into the future?
LISA STHALEKAR: I think I would have, I like period films and mini series and that. So it'd be nice to go back and check it out myself. But I'm not that fussed about the future.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, you create your own future, right? Like that's all what it's about. The final one here, the best candy in the world is?
LISA STHALEKAR: The best candy? What is my go to? You know what? It's just sometimes just a simple couple of blocks of chocolate and with a cup of tea, to be honest, with a cup of Roy Boss tea at night. So it's decaffeinated everyone from South Africa and a nice way to unwind.
BEN WATERWORTH: I actually, I had a boss where I was working at a newspaper in New Zealand and he was South African and he would bring in that tea. And gotta say, it's quite nice, it's a good tea.
LISA STHALEKAR: Highly recommend everyone.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, there you go. Speaking of recommending, Lisa, before we let you go, people wanna follow you on social media, Instagram, Twitter, anything along those lines. Where can people sort of stay up to date with you in general and watch what you're gonna be doing in the lead up to Beijing? Because we know you're gonna be on our TV screens again.
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah, I don't even know what my Instagram handle is. I think it's lsthalekar. Seriously, if you put Sthalekar in there, so it's S-T-H-A-L-E-K-A-R, the amount of times people have got that wrong. If you put that in, there's not too many of us out there, so I should pop up.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, possibly. Just kind of going out there. Lisa, it has been an absolute pleasure to chat with you today. I think we got about, what, 85% through that without cricket. So not too bad.
LISA STHALEKAR: I'm very impressed.
BEN WATERWORTH: Right. You know, I was kind of, you know, there had to be a few in there, but best of luck, seriously, with the broadcasting. And yeah, bring on Beijing. I want to kind of see Xinyar or whatever the Chinese name will be.
LISA STHALEKAR: Yeah, correct.
BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah. Kind of can't really translate across into the different languages, but I'm sure there'll be somebody out there. Or just, just let's, everyone's all about the retro now. So bring back the ice stream. You can be the reboot of the ice stream, you know? You can be the Roy and Gazy and Andy can be the HG.
LISA STHALEKAR: Sounds good to me. Yeah, thanks very much for having me.
BEN WATERWORTH: And a big thanks to Lisa for her time on the show. A lot of fun. And similar to our Joanna Griggs interview a couple of months back, it's just fun to be able to sort of get a broadcaster on and just learn about those experiences, because realistically, personally, I've always been obsessed with the Olympics, and would I have loved to have been an Olympian? Yes, realistically. Would I have ever become an Olympian? No, whereas my Olympics would be to be part of a broadcast team during an Olympic Games on an official capacity. So for me personally, it's always a pleasure to be able to speak to people like Lisa and kind of learn their perspectives and kind of insights into it as well. So definitely appreciate Lisa's time joining us on the show for a bit of a unique interview, one that I'm sure she often doesn't get a chance to do, not talking about cricket, sort of. There were still some cricket questions in there. We will be back, of course, with another great episode for you very, very soon, and keep up to date with who we've got on and what the episodes are gonna be. You can look us up on Off The Podium, of course. Look us up on social media, I should say. Off The Podium is the name of the show, in case you didn't realise that. Instagram, Twitter, Facebook is the main source of all of those. And if you wanna subscribe to the show, search for us on all good podcast platforms, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Amazon Podcasts, I Heart Radio. We're on them. Search for Off The Podium. Hit subscribe, leave us a rating, give us some feedback. I'd love to hear what you think of the show. So by all means, do that and never miss an episode. Big thanks again to Lisa for her time. Big thanks to everybody for tuning in today. My name is Ben and till we next week again here on Off The Podium. Remember, go left.
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